PKU是CSIA L1、L2、L3還是L4？

[CrazyBoy]

出處如下：

http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showpost. ... stcount=54

引言PKU說法：

Beg is L2 and I am L1

and Miyashita Masaki ( the first guy of the following video is also a CSIA L 2 )

YouTube - Miyashita Masaki with WBSS



Can you tell what is his level of skiing?

Most of the Whislter guys are L4 (fewer ) And L 3

先提供一段pku的新影片：

YouTube - Short Turn Big White 2011-1


這樣說來，沒考照的人永遠是初學者或是中級者，是嗎？

L幾那麼重要嗎？這些說法不過是一個公定標準，考照可以證明其一能力，但只是說明一個人的能力，不代表日後進步後的能力證明，拿這證照標準混淆誰呀？現在又拿影片要混淆誰呀？你要說你是個初學者也行呀！

以下為CSIA教練分級影片，我什麼看PKU都不像是L1的樣子，beg也說他是pku教的(亦師亦友)，幫pku級數定高一點，他不爽，他證明L1可以教L2，所以PKU很厲害呀。

以下面四段影片來看，PKU的能力級數應該分在哪一個呢？大家有何看法？

依我看的話，以併腿轉的動作來看，要是考照沒有要求一定要如下影片併那麼漂亮，就是不是算是放水呢？這樣的放水證照能信嗎？影片標題的「standards/標準」是寫假的嗎？

YouTube - Level 1 Standards


YouTube - Level 2 standards


YouTube - Level 3 standards


YouTube - Level 4 Standards


這到底是beg的teams的作風，還是pku的teams的作風呢？什麼都是這個樣子？

[lelo]

以下為CSIA教練分級影片，我什麼看PKU都不像是L1的樣子，beg也說他是pku教的(亦師亦友)，幫pku級數定高一點，他不爽，他證明L1可以教L2，所以PKU很厲害呀。
以下面四段影片來看，PKU的能力級數應該分在哪一個呢？大家有何看法？

要拍影片，他們當然會找 demo 級的教練來拍，滑的雖然是 L1 該有的動作，但一定是 demo 級的漂亮程度，L1 沒辦法滑這麼好，也是理所當然的。

至於 L1 在併腿轉裏該有什麼動作，我就不了了 ...

[B2L2]

CrazyBoy, you don't trust and don't like the CSIA style, why so care so much in which level other people is? You're so right, L幾那麼重要嗎?

I care about the result of the PK event more.

[CrazyBoy]

You're so right, L幾那麼重要嗎?

這點你也知道，這標題只是探討兩件事。

1. pku的能力級數在哪裏？而不是他只考到CSIA L1。

2. L1可以教L2，是不是代表低級數甚至未考照的人，也可以教高級數，甚至教高級數的人？

PKU用影片混淆及PK留言，這手段有點下作，所以我才說「L幾那麼重要嗎?」。

[pku]

這點你也知道，這標題只是探討兩件事。

1. pku的能力級數在哪裏？而不是他只考到CSIA L1。

2. L1可以教L2，是不是代表低級數甚至未考照的人，也可以教高級數，甚至教高級數的人？

PKU用影片混淆及PK留言，這手段有點下作，所以我才說「L幾那麼重要嗎?」。

So what level you think I am.

As I said about my skiing:

頗流暢 , 控制可以,速度不錯, 瑕疵仍多

If I am skiing with a so so CSIA level 3, my skiing should not be worse them the L3 but I am a L1 and I don't think I'll take the CSIA level 3 in the near future since I don't want to fail.

Then what is your bet abount my pk event with taichi ski?

[CrazyBoy]

So what level you think I am.

As I said about my skiing:

頗流暢 , 控制可以,速度不錯, 瑕疵仍多

If I am skiing with a so so CSIA level 3, my skiing should not be worse them the L3 but I am a L1 and I don't think I'll take the CSIA level 3 in the near future since I don't want to fail.

Then what is your bet abount my pk event with taichi ski?

你的級數你自己已說明了，skier888也幫你說了(他給你L3)，我的看法你在意嗎？在我看來，這不是謙虛，而是虛偽，講跟行為不一致。

對你們兩個人的pk，我的想法在這一段影片裏面。

YouTube - 2011 Zipper line bump skiing by jr ski racer

[pku]

你的級數你自己已說明了，skier888也幫你說了(他給你L3)，我的看法你在意嗎？在我看來，這不是謙虛，而是虛偽，講跟行為不一致。

對你們兩個人的pk，我的想法在這一段影片裏面。

YouTube - 2011 Zipper line bump skiing by jr ski racer

Your answer is who can ski a straight line win. I don't ski staight line.

[CrazyBoy]

Your answer is who can ski a straight line win. I don't ski staight line.

我提這影片的意思是，比快，走直線最快，這小男孩的技術性不算好，但因反應快，動作快，好玩，應該也玩不少天了，他的滑雪技術性強嗎？

比快，不代表技術好，這便是我的看法。你們兩個的技術強項及要求不一樣，比快，不如像這小男孩快樂的玩會更好。

所以我只有兩個字的看法，這PK方法及賭博，很「幼稚」。

[lelo]

我提這影片的意思是，比快，走直線最快，這小男孩的技術性不算好，但因反應快，動作快，好玩，應該也玩不少天了，他的滑雪技術性強嗎？

比快，不代表技術好，這便是我的看法。你們兩個的技術強項及要求不一樣，比快，不如像這小男孩快樂的玩會更好。

這男孩應該滑這個雪道很多次了，對地型很熟，所以才沒摔倒！

但 PK 時如果雙方都對雪道不熟，就真的考驗技術了，因為只要摔一次就輸了！

[snowrider]

我提這影片的意思是，比快，走直線最快，這小男孩的技術性不算好，但因反應快，動作快，好玩，應該也玩不少天了，他的滑雪技術性強嗎？

比快，不代表技術好，這便是我的看法。你們兩個的技術強項及要求不一樣，比快，不如像這小男孩快樂的玩會更好。

所以我只有兩個字的看法，這PK方法及賭博，很「幼稚」。

No, that's not true. Taking straight line is not the fastest.

The fastest way of skiing is to ski on edge - with less friction. And it results long radius turns on groomed trails.

[pku]

我提這影片的意思是，比快，走直線最快，這小男孩的技術性不算好，但因反應快，動作快，好玩，應該也玩不少天了，他的滑雪技術性強嗎？

比快，不代表技術好，這便是我的看法。你們兩個的技術強項及要求不一樣，比快，不如像這小男孩快樂的玩會更好。

所以我只有兩個字的看法，這PK方法及賭博，很「幼稚」。

Speed is the main issue in alpine skiing.

If a more skillful mogulist ski the same slope, he'll be faster than the little boy.

If one go straight and then turn, there will be lots of skiding and will reduce lots of speed so as Snowrider said , long turns on edge ( carving ) is the way to go fast.

[CrazyBoy]

你們想得太理想又天真了。

我說的是身體直線而下，而非單純雪板走直線。

這種饅頭要用long turns on edge ( carving ) is the way to go fast？小男孩所滑的那饅頭寬度沒那麼寬吧？走的彎的半徑拉那麼大，即使速率較快，但同樣的下山直線距離，走直線不剎車是最快的，最先到達底的一定是小男孩。

請注意小男孩的影片標題是什麼，再講這話也不遲吧？

除非你們要比賽旗門，這樣白比賽才有實質的意義，因為大家要走的長度都一樣，不然其他的方法，只能比技術，而不是比快。

[pku]

你們想得太理想又天真了。

我說的是身體直線而下，而非單純雪板走直線。

這種饅頭要用long turns on edge ( carving ) is the way to go fast？小男孩所滑的那饅頭寬度沒那麼寬吧？走的彎的半徑拉那麼大，即使速率較快，但同樣的下山直線距離，走直線不剎車是最快的，最先到達底的一定是小男孩。

請注意小男孩的影片標題是什麼，再講這話也不遲吧？

除非你們要比賽旗門，這樣白比賽才有實質的意義，因為大家要走的長度都一樣，不然其他的方法，只能比技術，而不是比快。

Since the kid is not well balance, he still hit ht ebumps to a certain extent so will diecrease the speed while a mogulist with good bump absorption skill can decrease the hit to ski faster. So in moguls competition, without gates, they still count the speed.

For those alpine skier, for this kind of moguls, they can fly over few bumps so they can also be faster than the kid.

The byproduct of good technique is speed, efficient turning.

See Norman's idot ( Bernd Greber ) skiing on the bumps, not only good looking but also very fast.

YouTube - Austrian Mogul Skiing


You think the kid can beat Norman's idot on the bumps? Bernd Greber is not skiing straight.

I treat you as another person ( not Norman ), on the difficult slope and snow condition, only those with good technique can ski fast and they can keep the form. Also I don't think you ski well but just like Norman, watching high end skiing video.

[CrazyBoy]

Since the kid is not well balance, he still hit ht ebumps to a certain extent so will diecrease the speed while a mogulist with good bump absorption skill can decrease the hit to ski faster. So in moguls competition, without gates, they still count the speed.

For those alpine skier, for this kind of moguls, they can fly over few bumps so they can also be faster than the kid.

The byproduct of good technique is speed, efficient turning.

See Norman's idot ( Bernd Greber ) skiing on the bumps, not only good looking but also very fast.

YouTube - Austrian Mogul Skiing

You think the kid can beat Norman's idot on the bumps? Bernd Greber is not skiing straight.

I treat you as another person ( not Norman ), on the difficult slope and snow condition, only those with good technique can ski fast and they can keep the form. Also I don't think you ski well but just like Norman, watching high end skiing video.

Bernd Greber是有高超技術及能控制速度的。(問題是，你們兩個無法像他一樣的方法下山。談這個是虛的。)

小男孩是失去控制速度的。(這是你們唯一一個還可能做到的方法)

論更長的長度距離及技術性，小男孩是不及Bernd Greber的。

失速後不摔倒的人，就可能會贏，但這是玩命。

你需要舉影片的例子，用下面這個比較合適也符合我的意思。

YouTube - mogul skiing

[pku]

Bernd Greber是有高超技術及能控制速度的。(問題是，你們兩個無法像他一樣的方法下山。談這個是虛的。)

小男孩是失去控制速度的。(這是你們唯一一個還可能做到的方法)

論更長的長度距離及技術性，小男孩是不及Bernd Greber的。

失速後不摔倒的人，就可能會贏，但這是玩命。

你需要舉影片的例子，用下面這個比較合適也符合我的意思。

YouTube - mogul skiing

小男孩是失去控制速度 but he is so short and so his center of mass won't be too away from his feet. Some people with good flexibility can make it down but taichiski won't have this flexibilty and he is so scared of getting hurt so he won't skis like that.

Why I post Bernd Greber's video is because he was skiing with early edge and the video you post is frestyle mogulist ( that's what I said ) Just want to tell you even Bernd Greber is skiing rounder turns and he can still ski faster than the little boy's straightline bump skiing.

Normanding ski theory is beautiful skiing but he just can't see his ugly side while critizing other people's ugly side a lot and totally neglect the good side of other people.