ams 寫:...圖中的只是短彎, 以下的短片試圖以我有限的認識解釋一下這 tipping 是什麼動作...

Referring to your video, I have few questions:

In the stage of release, the old outside leg is on load (i.e. weighted release) or not?

How do you achieve the edge lock after the transition?

Do you have any pelvis movement?

skier666 寫:Isn't extension not encouraged ?

extension 這一字在 pmts 來說是有點深奧, 我到現在也不是太明白, 但可以引用 Harald 的說法(我的說法則是 passive extension):

Harald said

Phrases describing Extension (leg lengthening and shortening).

-Don't push against the ground
-Let pressure come to you
-Clean skiing means don't push your CG around
-Use gravity, don't let it use you
-Extend by moving inside, not by pushing yourself to the inside
-Give in twice per arc, once to release (outside leg) and once to increase angles (inside leg)

PSBoy 寫:Referring to your video, I have few questions:

In the stage of release, the old outside leg is on load (i.e. weighted release) or not?

How do you achieve the edge lock after the transition?

Do you have any pelvis movement?

我只是中級的 pmts skier, 對其他 pmts 技術沒多大把握, 而且片中又夾雜了 trampoline turn 這是和 pmts 對著幹的技術, 所以我只敢談談 tipping 以免引致不必要的誤解. 你是真的要了解 pmts 的其他技術請到 pmts forum 問一下那邊的高手, 記得說是我 carver_hk 介紹過來的.
超短彎 means 比一般的短彎還要短的彎, 上身差不多是直線下山.

PSBoy 寫:I think it is not possible without extension of the outside leg after transition (i.e. flex to release)

I think you r right, but in pmts only.

I think if your skis have grip and are carving. The skis will follow the track to pull your legs long. They don't want skier push to extend because 1. it will flatten your skis and lose tipping angle and 2. you will lost flexibility and lose tipping angle. They want to side load the skis and push does not help. These are mentioned in the book somewhere.

skier666 寫:I think if your skis have grip and are carving. The skis will follow the track to pull your legs long.

我覺得就是非 carving 彎也是這樣, 關鍵在於 highC 時是走 sidecut 的還是走 pivoting 的.

skier666 寫:They don't want skier push to extend because 1. it will flatten your skis and lose tipping angle and 2. you will lost flexibility and lose tipping angle. They want to side load the skis and push does not help. These are mentioned in the book somewhere.

agree but i ll add it will also push the CG to fall inside

ams 寫:...所以我只敢談談 tipping 以免引致不必要的誤解. 你是真的要了解 pmts 的其他技術請到 pmts forum 問一下那邊的高手...

Thanks for your recommendation

Referring to your previous post, you said - 我還欠什麼才能成超短彎. I was thinking this is a question for our discussion but seems I made a mistake. Actually, the last 3 questions were provided for your self-reviewing (because I don't have enough knowledge and ability to share with you). Otherwise, I should combine my previous 2 posts (i.e. the 4 questions), right?

Maybe the last 3 questions are not relevant and important. Anyway, please ignore these questions. Have a nice day!

skier666 寫: ...They don't want skier push to extend because 1. it will flatten your skis and lose tipping angle and 2. you will lost flexibility and lose tipping angle. They want to side load the skis and push does not help...

ams 寫: ...i ll add it will also push the CG to fall inside...

Totally agree without reservation

For me, extension of outside leg is required after transition due to flex to release. The difference is

skier666 寫:...They don't want skier push to extend...

and

ams 寫:...(我的說法則是 passive extension)...

That's why I said

PSBoy 寫:...he (the founder) is very clever to use a different word - lengthening...

PSBoy 寫:Actually, the last 3 questions were provided for your self-reviewing ..
Maybe the last 3 questions are not relevant and important. Anyway, please ignore these questions.

It is so kind of you to provide question for my self review. However, pls note that I didn't ignore your question. I just don't have the ability to answer your insightful question. As I confessed earlier I don't have sufficient knowledge to judge on the more advanced PMTS issues. Betting on blurred image of how it works do no good to myself and readers. And when I started learning trampoline turns I know I can not ask more question from the pmts forum as I wont be welcome anymore. Now my pmts skiing and knowledge is already blended with trampoline turns and I dont sure what is right and what is wrong. After all getting through the transition without falling is right for me. Just check this out for fun
YouTube- Flex and tip for bigger angles

PSBoy 寫:lengthening...

Sorry, this body part can not get longer or shorter in any kind of turns. I prefer Harald's original word flexing and extending even though its somewhat misleading.

PSBoy 寫:Referring to your previous post, you said - 我還欠什麼才能成超短彎. I was thinking this is a question for our discussion

oh! just share what I have to work on. You r welcome to tell me what to do to achieve that, of course.

ams 寫:Sorry, this body part can not get longer or shorter in any kind of turns. I prefer Harald's original word flexing and extending even though its somewhat misleading.

See this video - YouTube- Ski Practice 3: Transition with Harald Harb


What do you think – Letting legs get long? ...haha!

ams 寫:oh! just share what I have to work on. You r welcome to tell me what to do to achieve that, of course.

I see and wait for your next video

PSBoy 寫:See this video What do you think – Letting legs get long? ...haha!

Obviously Harald changed his mind when he gets more mature he now realize lengthening to get longer is better then just extending, which have a somewhat limited sense of length. Thanks for the highlight, lets hope we can all do lengthening better.

ams 寫:我覺得就是非 carving 彎也是這樣

That is true.

ams 寫: 關鍵在於 highC 時是走 sidecut 的還是走 pivoting 的.

It is not pivot, at least not the usual sense. I think it is not riding the side cut either. The turning or changing of ski direction is from tipping.

skier666 寫:It is not pivot, at least not the usual sense. I think it is not riding the side cut either. The turning or changing of ski direction is from tipping.

Maybe I should clarify my answer, which is directed to your later part of the sentence: The skis will follow the track to pull your legs long.
I mean in pivoted turns your skis won't pull your skis to extend in highC. But in all sidecut turns it should happen to some extend. What do you think? :)

PSBoy 寫:Could you give me some examples to explain how to manage the rest of the body when tipping the skis?

BTW, it is difficult for me to continue tipping during the turn.

The book and DVD is better source than me

ams 寫:Maybe I should clarify my answer, which is directed to your later part of the sentence: The skis will follow the track to pull your legs long.
I mean in pivoted turns your skis won't pull your skis to extend in highC. But in all sidecut turns it should happen to some extend. What do you think? :)

I don't have an answer for this. I don't extend for anther reason. I like to think about skiing as flowing like water as Taichiskiing is talking about. Things like "let the pressure come to you" start making sense.