黑线冰面如何减速度

[skier888]

如果我沒看錯，只要能做到像beg兄最新的動作，一般黑線冰面滑起來都能定速下山的。

不知算不算證明呢？不過這得問beg兄看看他的想法囉。

可以呀，您跟beg兄這麽好，您就出面請他幫你證明吧

[norman]

可以呀，您跟beg兄這麽好，您就出面請他幫你證明吧

先問您一個問題，您分辨得出影片內中的坡面是不是冰面嗎？

[skier888]

先問您一個問題，您分辨得出影片內中的坡面是不是冰面嗎？

您說的就算數

[norman]

您說的就算數

問題是，我也分辨不出來呀，所以如何證？

不過我到是可以說我今年初拍的那段黑線就可以算是一般的冰面，我這樣說您相信嗎？

[skier888]

問題是，我也分辨不出來呀，所以如何證？

不過我到是可以說我今年初拍的那段黑線就可以算是一般的冰面，我這樣說您相信嗎？

那充其量不過是我們這的藍道。你認為那滑的很好嗎？不是後坐又半制動嗎？

[pku]

問題是，我也分辨不出來呀，所以如何證？

不過我到是可以說我今年初拍的那段黑線就可以算是一般的冰面，我這樣說您相信嗎？

From your video of the beginning of this year, you don't seem to be in control. You are all over the place. Once you ski too fast and lost control and you need a stopping motion to control your speed and then start again.

For Beg, the video he took is on a gentle run with good snow, it's not icy at the spot he took the video because I was on the chair lift above him when he took the video.

[norman]

那充其量不過是我們這的藍道。你認為那滑的很好嗎？不是後坐又半制動嗎？

那一段我覺得做得很好，已是靜態滑法的練習終點到了。

無所謂，我已說過了，等看到我下次拍就自然知道現在的我跟那時拍的我的差異性有多大了，不過我也沒打算要求您相信囉，最好別相信。

[norman]

From your video of the beginning of this year, you don't seem to be in control. You are all over the place. Once you ski too fast and lost control and you need a stopping motion to control your speed and then start again.

For Beg, the video he took is on a gentle run with good snow, it's not icy at the spot he took the video because I was on the chair lift above him when he took the video.

我那一段是小彎跟大彎刻滑的混合，可惜，剛好前面的小彎及刻滑一個都沒拍到，只剩後面的大彎，所以您們的眼福就只有這樣子囉，且我是故意放開速度做最小的控制，我的每一個彎都沒有失去控制的，只是因為靜態滑法的關係，所以我只控制我要做到的部份就好了，其他的多餘動作最好都不要做，而您們之前不是覺得我2008年拍的影片速度太慢，難得我有機會在黑線拍，當然要拍一段滑得快的影片，可是這影片還不是我速度最快的影片，但被您當成失控，實在不值呀。

至於beg兄的動作，練我的方法，在綠線拍及跟在黑線拍都是一樣的，如果這是他的今年真的「第一個run」，那這第一個run在綠線暖身拍一下也沒什麼不可的地方囉，不然您找一個您認為在黑線滑得不什麼樣，但在綠線能滑出相同的動作來的朋友拍一段看看，看看那位的動作會不會因為是綠線就變得很漂亮又正確？

所以才說，您們只看在困難地形拍動作來代表功力程度，姿勢好壞就被排到後面了，所以動作進步的速度時在是很慢，因為有些細微的動作在一般人看起來沒什麼大不了的，可是它卻是進步最大的障礙，就如我說的，beg兄已經不存在進步障礙了，等他適應了這動作，任何地形對他來講都是一樣的，隨便都能做出漂亮又正確的動作。

PS.我承認這黑線是惠斯樂的紅線，不過惠斯樂的黑線在歐洲就變成紅線了，而我在歐洲也滑過的黑線也有分的更難的黑線，所以哪一種線都沒差囉。

[pku]

我那一段是小彎跟大彎刻滑的混合，可惜，剛好前面的小彎及刻滑一個都沒拍到，只剩後面的大彎，所以您們的眼福就只有這樣子囉，且我是故意放開速度做最小的控制，我的每一個彎都沒有失去控制的，只是因為靜態滑法的關係，所以我只控制我要做到的部份就好了，其他的多餘動作最好都不要做，而您們之前不是覺得我2008年拍的影片速度太慢，難得我有機會在黑線拍，當然要拍一段滑得快的影片，可是這影片還不是我速度最快的影片，但被您當成失控，實在不值呀。

至於beg兄的動作，練我的方法，在綠線拍及跟在黑線拍都是一樣的，如果這是他的今年真的「第一個run」，那這第一個run在綠線暖身拍一下也沒什麼不可的地方囉，不然您找一個您認為在黑線滑得不什麼樣，但在綠線能滑出相同的動作來的朋友拍一段看看，看看那位的動作會不會因為是綠線就變得很漂亮又正確？

所以才說，您們只看在困難地形拍動作來代表功力程度，姿勢好壞就被排到後面了，所以動作進步的速度時在是很慢，因為有些細微的動作在一般人看起來沒什麼大不了的，可是它卻是進步最大的障礙，就如我說的，beg兄已經不存在進步障礙了，等他適應了這動作，任何地形對他來講都是一樣的，隨便都能做出漂亮又正確的動作。

PS.我承認這黑線是惠斯樂的紅線，不過惠斯樂的黑線在歐洲就變成紅線了，而我在歐洲也滑過的黑線也有分的更難的黑線，所以哪一種線都沒差囉。

I only use your standard to judge. You always said beatiful skiing is good skiing but in your video, your downhill skis slip out like hell, wedge happens a lot. That's why you said carver skiing is not good because his skiing doesn't look beautiful. Once people critize you, you always have another standard to defend yourself ( just like what Taichiski said )

Also, the black runs on the top part of Whistler is much steeper. You havn't really ski on those. Your judgement is not correct.

Anyway, see if I can video my friend's skiing this weekend. I think he ski better than Beg.

[norman]

I only use your standard to judge. You always said beatiful skiing is good skiing but in your video, your downhill skis slip out like hell, wedge happens a lot. That's why you said carver skiing is not good because his skiing doesn't look beautiful. Once people critize you, you always have another standard to defend yourself ( just like what Taichiski said )

Also, the black runs on the top part of Whistler is much steeper. You havn't really ski on those. Your judgement is not correct.

Anyway, see if I can video my friend's skiing this weekend. I think he ski better than Beg.

只不過是黑線旁邊的非整理雪道而已，好吧，就當作我沒滑過(我指的是歐洲的黑線雪道)。

beg兄，從那第一個run到第十天後，有信心嗎？我只可惜您沒有練傳統溜冰鞋，不然進展速度可以壓縮到三天以內。

PS.我曾聽到一位一起去歐洲滑雪的阿伯說過，他們在美國滑了那麼多年，到歐洲真正的大雪場滑過後，真是開了眼界，雪場跟坡道的難易度實在不能比，有機會至少一定要去歐洲的超大雪場好好滑個幾天才不枉愛滑雪的人。

[ams]

那一段我覺得做得很好，已是靜態滑法的練習終點到了。

大師這靜態滑法就跟功夫裡的打坐和冥想是同一個境界.

[ams]

大師今年不出門我們都小了很多笑料

[pku]

只不過是黑線旁邊的非整理雪道而已，好吧，就當作我沒滑過(我指的是歐洲的黑線雪道)。

beg兄，從那第一個run到第十天後，有信心嗎？我只可惜您沒有練傳統溜冰鞋，不然進展速度可以壓縮到三天以內。

PS.我曾聽到一位一起去歐洲滑雪的阿伯說過，他們在美國滑了那麼多年，到歐洲真正的大雪場滑過後，真是開了眼界，雪場跟坡道的難易度實在不能比，有機會至少一定要去歐洲的超大雪場好好滑個幾天才不枉愛滑雪的人。

I said you never ski the top part of Whistler Mountain because last time you ski Whistler is early season and also it's a bad early season so they didn't open the top. That year I join your group for one day and I saw you skied (Pretty shity)

I also got a friend who skied on europe many times and he always boost how difficult the runs Europe are and there is a mogul run for 6 Km and the bump is like a Volkswagan ( of cause he said he got down) But once he's on Whistler, he didn't dare to go down Whistler Bowl ( A black run on the top of Whistler ) with us.

I am not saying the where is easier or where is more difficult. I just heard there is more ungroom runs in Europe. The grooming in North America is much better.

[skier888]

I said you never ski the top part of Whistler Mountain because last time you ski Whistler is early season and also it's a bad early season so they didn't open the top. That year I join your group for one day and I saw you skied (Pretty shity)

I also got a friend who skied on europe many times and he always boost how difficult the runs Europe are and there is a mogul run for 6 Km and the bump is like a Volkswagan ( of cause he said he got down) But once he's on Whistler, he didn't dare to go down Whistler Bowl ( A black run on the top of Whistler ) with us.

I am not saying the where is easier or where is more difficult. I just heard there is more ungroom runs in Europe. The grooming in North America is much better.

It all dependes on resorts and what is opened.

Most skiing tourists will never see something like this because they all go to Heavenly or Northstar

YouTube - Mike Wilson throwing a 75 foot back over the fingers

[norman]

I said you never ski the top part of Whistler Mountain because last time you ski Whistler is early season and also it's a bad early season so they didn't open the top. That year I join your group for one day and I saw you skied (Pretty shity)

I also got a friend who skied on europe many times and he always boost how difficult the runs Europe are and there is a mogul run for 6 Km and the bump is like a Volkswagan ( of cause he said he got down) But once he's on Whistler, he didn't dare to go down Whistler Bowl ( A black run on the top of Whistler ) with us.

I am not saying the where is easier or where is more difficult. I just heard there is more ungroom runs in Europe. The grooming in North America is much better.

我沒跟您們下去，是因為中午11點半到了，我想去吃飯了，這時去排隊買午餐可以不用跟人擠。

那地形還好，對現在的我就更不是問題了，如果您還沈浸在這個問題上，只能說這只是您的常識問題而已。

[ams]

對現在的我就更不是問題了，如果您還沈浸在這個問題上，只能說這只是您的常識問題而已。

對極了, 大師現在已無所不能, 只要不問他拿片看就好.

[skier888]

大師滑雪是不能看實際地 要用想象的 要如何就如何

[norman]

我指的是一般常識認為的想法，所以不相信是正常的囉。

[ams]

我指的是一般常識認為的想法，所以不相信是正常的囉。

其實我的朋友都問我, 大師老是說到自己這麼強的目的是為什麼? 我也很好奇啊. 我們業餘的根本不須要這麼利害的榮譽啊.

[norman]

其實我的朋友都問我, 大師老是說到自己這麼強的目的是為什麼? 我也很好奇啊. 我們業餘的根本不須要這麼利害的榮譽啊.

有個問題是，我有說過我很強嗎？

您們沒事幹嘛這麼認為我說我自己很強囉。