Martin Heckelman動作影片

[skier888]

It baffles me why will people on shape skis want to ski that way Those are good skiers in there own right but they are using different tools.

It also makes me wonde that TCS is really normal because they think so much alike

[lelo]

代 norman 兄回覆

Don't just boost how much you understand. The most importanat thing is when you can do it. I'll bet you'll never do it.

自從我做到後，我的心態跟想法有些轉變了。

對看不懂我的動作的人，我能解釋什麼？最後什麼也無法讓人得到滿意的答案，所以我懶得比較什麼了，看不懂就算了，反正我該講的都講過了。

你不用打賭什麼，當你拒絕發現及仔細觀查時，得到的結果是你什麼也沒真正看清楚。

我貼下面這段影片，從中你可以看到什麼？說實在的，這是其中我看過示範動作最醜最隨便的影片，不過他的每個該詞動作卻是完全正確的。你比他厲害嗎？還是他滑得比你爛呢？

YouTube - steveangus.com - Karston Family 17th April 2011

[lelo]

代 norman 貼回覆

Don't just boost how much you understand. The most importanat thing is when you can do it. I'll bet you'll never do it.

最後一次剪這個，就讓你看看這彎相似度多少，我看得出來差異在哪裏，當時我還沒真正加上上半身的力量呢，只用到一點點而已，還有些部份肌肉運用的方法跟現在有很大的差別了。

這就算送你看了。

YouTube - 與bernd的大彎相似度多少

[taichiskiing]

Whistler got the most CSIA L 4 in Canada

No, that has nothing to do with the question "what's the difference between "instructing" or "coaching,"" or are you a "ski instructor," or "ski coach"?

Tiger Woods has a coach not an instructor.

Yes, do you know why? (hint: what can a golf instructor teach Tiger Woods how to golf technically?)

Martin skising is not bad, but not really special, Most CSIA L 4 can ski better than him.

Nevertheless, what do you mean "better," by what "standards"?

You don't even got any certification, a terminal L2 is still mcuh higher than you get nothing.

Certification is given by people, which can be 良莠不齊, only when they can withstand the test of the old man "gravity" can they be claimed themselves a good skier; before that, it is only a terminal L2.

You only can boost your skiing by your own created system.

Taichi Skiing is beyond you terminal L2 can fathom. Have you heard about「以意使力」，或是「以氣運身」, that is to say, use thinking to move the body？

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: pair line-skiing



:)
IS

[pku]

No, that has nothing to do with the question "what's the difference between "instructing" or "coaching,"" or are you a "ski instructor," or "ski coach"?



Yes, do you know why? (hint: what can a golf instructor teach Tiger Woods how to golf technically?)



Nevertheless, what do you mean "better," by what "standards"?



Certification is given by people, which can be 良莠不齊, only when they can withstand the test of the old man "gravity" can they be claimed themselves a good skier; before that, it is only a terminal L2.



Taichi Skiing is beyond you terminal L2 can fathom. Have you heard about「以意使力」，或是「以氣運身」, that is to say, use thinking to move the body？

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: pair line-skiing


:)
IS

Don't show your boring video again and again. It's only causual skier ski down the mountain. Strong skier is able to finr a pre-determine line and ski that line the fast.

Skiing on those flat and boost 以意使力 , but like doing push hand with a 5 years old kid and boost how good one are.

That's why you got kick out by PSIA, no knowlege, but only stealing the terms

[pku]

代 norman 貼回覆



最後一次剪這個，就讓你看看這彎相似度多少，我看得出來差異在哪裏，當時我還沒真正加上上半身的力量呢，只用到一點點而已，還有些部份肌肉運用的方法跟現在有很大的差別了。

這就算送你看了。

YouTube - 與bernd的大彎相似度多少

Bernd is steering his skis all through but you are just imitiating the form and let the sidecut of the skis to help you make the turn. Bernd 's skis didn't got much sidecut but still be able to make the turn so nice and round.

Since you don't have the steering effort so you skis got much more sliding. Your oustide ski lip out quite a bit in the transition 中間雙腳開了


Also you look mcuh stiffer than Bernd.

To compare your skiing with Bernd is an insult to Bernd

[taichiskiing]

Don't show your boring video again and again. It's only causual skier ski down the mountain. Strong skier is able to finr a pre-determine line and ski that line the fast.

Actually, there's nothing more boring than your shameless denial over and over and over and again. Keep your boring insinuation to yourself. When you cannot do it, don't tell us how a stronger skier can do, you ain't one.

Skiing on those flat and boost 以意使力 , but like doing push hand with a 5 years old kid and boost how good one are.

"When you cannot do it, don't tell us how a stronger skier can do, you ain't one." Given you 顧左右而言他, you have no idea what 以意使力 is, as do it.

That's why you got kick out by PSIA, no knowlege, but only stealing the terms

Talking about "stealing the terms," it is you who don't know what your terms were talking about. And one more time, retarded, "I was never a member of PSIA, so they cannot kick me out."

All you denials are what make you the terminal L2, proven.

:)
IS

[pku]

Actually, there's nothing more boring than your shameless denial over and over and over and again. Keep your boring insinuation to yourself. When you cannot do it, don't tell us how a stronger skier can do, you ain't one.



"When you cannot do it, don't tell us how a stronger skier can do, you ain't one." Given you 顧左右而言他, you have no idea what 以意使力 is, as do it.



Talking about "stealing the terms," it is you who don't know what your terms were talking about. And one more time, retarded, "I was never a member of PSIA, so they cannot kick me out."

All you denials are what make you the terminal L2, proven.

:)
IS

You are the one doing the shameless denial since nobody agree with your skiing here. you got kicked out the first day you try to get the certificate.


It's so obvious that you are far from 以意使力,

[pku]

代 norman 兄回覆



自從我做到後，我的心態跟想法有些轉變了。

對看不懂我的動作的人，我能解釋什麼？最後什麼也無法讓人得到滿意的答案，所以我懶得比較什麼了，看不懂就算了，反正我該講的都講過了。

你不用打賭什麼，當你拒絕發現及仔細觀查時，得到的結果是你什麼也沒真正看清楚。

我貼下面這段影片，從中你可以看到什麼？說實在的，這是其中我看過示範動作最醜最隨便的影片，不過他的每個該詞動作卻是完全正確的。你比他厲害嗎？還是他滑得比你爛呢？

YouTube - steveangus.com - Karston Family 17th April 2011

The skier is the student of Steve Angus, should be Karston Family instucted by Steve Angus.

You even said his movements are correct. OH G

[lelo]

代 norman 貼回覆

Bernd is steering his skis all through but you are just imitiating the form and let the sidecut of the skis to help you make the turn. Bernd 's skis didn't got much sidecut but still be able to make the turn so nice and round.

Since you don't have the steering effort so you skis got much more sliding. Your oustide ski lip out quite a bit in the transition 中間雙腳開了


Also you look mcuh stiffer than Bernd.

To compare your skiing with Bernd is an insult to Bernd

請問你有沒有在仔細看我的意思呀？我在比較什麼？又侮辱什麼？你滿腦都是這個樣子嗎？

我們不是在談良好的滑雪技術也可以「不需要彎腰太多，蹲太低。」嗎？不覺得外形看起來很像嗎？我只要再加一點上半身的力量及最後悟通的發力技術就一模一樣了。

我在這討論串不是一直在剪影片給大家看，我剪得這些影片，哪個彎腰多及蹲得低的？

你不是說你比較喜歡bernd的動作嗎？我貼了大彎跟小彎給你看一下，雖這不是他後期的滑雪方式，但你也不能理解早期為何這樣滑的原因吧？

那小彎裏的影片連paul也在裏面，找得到嗎？如果我沒記錯Martin Heckelman這本書是paul介紹可看的書，你的技術及知識水準比paul高嗎？

我從以前就說過我學的是奧地利的滑雪方式，我可以接受我們之間技術不同的差別，可是你總以為自己所學的方法是唯一的，我提出討論，你們當我是教你們，現在書本也看到了，影片也看到了，我只說我不喜歡腰彎太低的滑法，這是一個人的選項，我也可以彎低但我覺得技術到位輕鬆滑也是ok的，這樣說你明白我的意思嗎？

技術可以討論，可以不認同對方的方式，但可以嚐試了解對方的方式增廣見聞，我接受你們的方法，但你們是拒絕接受其他的方法，這便是我們的差異性。

以大彎來講，下次我可以拍出跟bernd一樣的滑法，不過我不想拍，沒什好證明的，不過到是可以拍快速下饅頭的影片及bernd示範的小彎方法(如果你看得懂我最後拍的直排輪影片，你會知道動作是不是一樣了)。

最後，在這討論串內我貼出來的主要影片，哪個人彎腰及蹲很低的？bernd是我看過饅頭滑得最好的，而Martin Heckelman是我看過鬆雪滑得最穩定及優雅的，他也有一段跟一群學生一起滑鬆雪，連那淺水藍色的衣服的動作都沒Martin的好看。

最後希望你別懷疑，Martin跟Bernd滑饅頭的技術是一樣的方法，如果再不願嚐試了解，我覺得就白剪這些片給你們看了。

你能滑出跟Martin一樣在饅頭上的動作，不需求快，就這樣慢慢一下的下饅頭就行了，那你自然就會看懂我的動作了。

[snowrider]

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你能滑出跟Martin一樣在饅頭上的動作，不需求快，就這樣慢慢一下的下饅頭就行了，那你自然就會看懂我的動作了。

Norman - You lecture like a master. Pathetic! If you can be a bit humble to ask, people will be glad to tell you what you don't know. The worst thing is rejecting learning without knowing one's own limitation or how shaky one's skill is.

[taichiskiing]

You are the one doing the shameless denial since nobody agree with your skiing here. you got kicked out the first day you try to get the certificate.

It's so obvious that you are far from 以意使力,

It sounds like a terminal case of self-deceiving and denial. Yup, "can't do, can't learn, can't progress," suit yourself, terminal L2.

:)
IS

[pku]

代 norman 貼回覆



請問你有沒有在仔細看我的意思呀？我在比較什麼？又侮辱什麼？你滿腦都是這個樣子嗎？

我們不是在談良好的滑雪技術也可以「不需要彎腰太多，蹲太低。」嗎？不覺得外形看起來很像嗎？我只要再加一點上半身的力量及最後悟通的發力技術就一模一樣了。

我在這討論串不是一直在剪影片給大家看，我剪得這些影片，哪個彎腰多及蹲得低的？

你不是說你比較喜歡bernd的動作嗎？我貼了大彎跟小彎給你看一下，雖這不是他後期的滑雪方式，但你也不能理解早期為何這樣滑的原因吧？

那小彎裏的影片連paul也在裏面，找得到嗎？如果我沒記錯Martin Heckelman這本書是paul介紹可看的書，你的技術及知識水準比paul高嗎？

我從以前就說過我學的是奧地利的滑雪方式，我可以接受我們之間技術不同的差別，可是你總以為自己所學的方法是唯一的，我提出討論，你們當我是教你們，現在書本也看到了，影片也看到了，我只說我不喜歡腰彎太低的滑法，這是一個人的選項，我也可以彎低但我覺得技術到位輕鬆滑也是ok的，這樣說你明白我的意思嗎？

技術可以討論，可以不認同對方的方式，但可以嚐試了解對方的方式增廣見聞，我接受你們的方法，但你們是拒絕接受其他的方法，這便是我們的差異性。

以大彎來講，下次我可以拍出跟bernd一樣的滑法，不過我不想拍，沒什好證明的，不過到是可以拍快速下饅頭的影片及bernd示範的小彎方法(如果你看得懂我最後拍的直排輪影片，你會知道動作是不是一樣了)。

最後，在這討論串內我貼出來的主要影片，哪個人彎腰及蹲很低的？bernd是我看過饅頭滑得最好的，而Martin Heckelman是我看過鬆雪滑得最穩定及優雅的，他也有一段跟一群學生一起滑鬆雪，連那淺水藍色的衣服的動作都沒Martin的好看。

最後希望你別懷疑，Martin跟Bernd滑饅頭的技術是一樣的方法，如果再不願嚐試了解，我覺得就白剪這些片給你們看了。

你能滑出跟Martin一樣在饅頭上的動作，不需求快，就這樣慢慢一下的下饅頭就行了，那你自然就會看懂我的動作了。

Why Bernd stand taller than the Richard Berger now is because of the equiment. Without shape skis, one can't stay low and edge and pressure the skis right away and need ti do much obvious up unweighing. Let the flat skis turn longer and then edge. Richard Berger and Bernd were both demo team of Austia. Bernd got few times Technical Champion in Japan and Ruchard Berger got once according to my memory. Their skiing was much alike.


When skiing the bumps, Martin did a lot of pivoting and Bernd did much less and Bernd edge much earlier than Martin. On alpine skiing, the one can edge earlier and still being able to control well is considered higher skill.

The one can ski fast and still be able to coordinate well and in a control manner is considered a better skier than one skiing slower with control. That's why Bernd is very obvious the much better and stronger skier.

For Martin, most of his student level are intermediate skiing so teach the way he ski bumps are nothing wrong but Martin skiing is not special. Paul introduce you the book because your skiing level is Martin's target student. About Bernd's short turn, his edging started almost at the fall line while Richard Berger can edge way before the fall line now. Bernd got the best skill but his equipment can't compare with those nowaday.

There is still a lot you don't know about the skiing although you may sometimes can tell some difference of 2 skiers. Don't pretend to be a master.

Austrian skiing is one of the best since most of the instructor got racing background so for sure their skiing are stronger than CSIA.

[pku]

It sounds like a terminal case of self-deceiving and denial. Yup, "can't do, can't learn, can't progress," suit yourself, terminal L2.

:)
IS

At least I'll get into some lesson and get myself updated while you use yourself as the standard and still got stuck

You don't learn so of course you can't learn.

You don't try to do something you can't do at the end , you can't do forever.

Because of this, you can't progress so love to stay on the cattrack and all those wide open trees runs do you so call smooth skiing and post them again and again.

The problems is still no one from anywhere can agree with your skiing ( except Norman did before ) and you can only tell people doing the shameless denial.

[taichiskiing]

At least I'll get into some lesson and get myself updated while you use yourself as the standard and still got stuck

Yup, "on the 'net, your mind goes anywhere, but arrives nowhere." Talking about "stuck," I can do powder and trees, ski off-piste, do pipes and terrain parks, and I can ski fast on trails, ski smoothly on cattracks, as well as do the bumps and moguls, and tele, and snowboarding, and etc., what can you do besides your half-baked "poled linked short turns" and shameless denial? You don't know what "standard" means.

You don't learn so of course you can't learn.

Yup, a terminal L2's perpetuated 自欺欺人.

You don't try to do something you can't do at the end , you can't do forever.

Yup, that's your future, ternimal L2, 前途無亮.

Because of this, you can't progress so love to stay on the cattrack and all those wide open trees runs do you so call smooth skiing and post them again and again.

Yup, "Talking about stuck," for the past season, you have apparently learned nothing, only thing you do better now is shameless denial over and over and again, boring, retarded, and shameless.

The problems is still no one from anywhere can agree with your skiing ( except Norman did before ) and you can only tell people doing the shameless denial.

What you little knowledge doesn't know is "no one from anywhere" is only your little knowledge shameless insinuation, as well as an illegitimate inference, so it is you who are doing lying, 自欺欺人, what skiing technqiues you have "improved" this season? or stuck as usual? Yup, your perpetuated shameless denials continue.

:)
IS

[lelo]

代 norman 貼回覆

我做了一段短片，我一直覺得TDK就看得懂我的動作，所以對話上比較沒問題，但有人要誤解他的話，我也沒辦法。

本來只放我的上去，後來想一下，順便再把PKU放進去一起比較，如果PKU覺得不妥，沒關係，我再改回去掉PKU的影片。

我覺得這樣的比較可以從中看出自己與其他示範者的差異，看不懂的話，看上百遍後一定能漸漸分辨出來的。

饅頭的基礎從這動作開始練起，把影片放在一起比較會更容易分析及分辨，而不是指跟誰比較會侮辱誰。

YouTube - 基本饅頭滑法比較02

[lelo]

代 norman 貼回覆

Why Bernd stand taller than the Richard Berger now is because of the equiment. Without shape skis, one can't stay low and edge and pressure the skis right away and need ti do much obvious up unweighing. Let the flat skis turn longer and then edge. Richard Berger and Bernd were both demo team of Austia. Bernd got few times Technical Champion in Japan and Ruchard Berger got once according to my memory. Their skiing was much alike.


When skiing the bumps, Martin did a lot of pivoting and Bernd did much less and Bernd edge much earlier than Martin. On alpine skiing, the one can edge earlier and still being able to control well is considered higher skill.

The one can ski fast and still be able to coordinate well and in a control manner is considered a better skier than one skiing slower with control. That's why Bernd is very obvious the much better and stronger skier.

For Martin, most of his student level are intermediate skiing so teach the way he ski bumps are nothing wrong but Martin skiing is not special. Paul introduce you the book because your skiing level is Martin's target student. About Bernd's short turn, his edging started almost at the fall line while Richard Berger can edge way before the fall line now. Bernd got the best skill but his equipment can't compare with those nowaday.

There is still a lot you don't know about the skiing although you may sometimes can tell some difference of 2 skiers. Don't pretend to be a master.

Austrian skiing is one of the best since most of the instructor got racing background so for sure their skiing are stronger than CSIA.

你真正懂什麼叫做所謂的基礎技術嗎？

基礎技術必須具備可延伸及奠基下一個更難學的技術踏板。

基礎基術沒練好練通，是不可能練下一階的動作，如果強練只會變成似是而非的半桶水而已，不然就不會稱做基礎技術了。

你了解基礎技術所含蓋的範圍嗎？

Martin的DVD教學片內也有教如何比賽過旗門及旗桿，也有教人如做跳跳台在空中時做基本花式動作，而這些動作都必須建立在他所教及如何運用的技術上，這樣還算只是針對初、中級者嗎？

沒學過，請別用猜的，可以嗎？

[pku]

[QUOTE=taichiskiing;12704]Yup, "on the 'net, your mind goes anywhere, but arrives nowhere." Talking about "stuck," I can do powder and trees, ski off-piste, do pipes and terrain parks, and I can ski fast on trails, ski smoothly on cattracks, as well as do the bumps and moguls, and tele, and snowboarding, and etc., what can you do besides your half-baked "poled linked short turns" and shameless denial? You don't know what "standard" means.

I said your skiing is ok but just a skier on the middle of the run, nothing spectacular

Skiing fast and smooth on cattrack and trail is easy.

no need to post all the time again and again

[QUOTE=taichiskiing;12704] Yup, a terminal L2's perpetuated 自欺欺人.

That's you like 自欺欺人

[QUOTE=taichiskiing;12704] Yup, that's your future, ternimal L2, 前途無亮.

For me, what 前途 I need to expect, I am only a week end skier.You are different, you ski almost everyday during the season and creat your own type of skiing but the result is only like an high inetemediate skier.


[QUOTE=taichiskiing;12704] Yup, "Talking about stuck," for the past season, you have apparently learned nothing, only thing you do better now is shameless denial over and over and again, boring, retarded, and shameless.

I learnt a lot and the most I learn is; I still need to learn a lot.You want to get approval of your skiing is excellent on the net but still nobody give you any credit.

May be you should show us the credit given to you by anybody, otherwise it's you keep doing the shameless denial over and over and again, showing your boring, retarded skiing over and over again

[QUOTE=taichiskiing;12704] What you little knowledge doesn't know is "no one from anywhere" is only your little knowledge shameless insinuation, as well as an illegitimate inference, so it is you who are doing lying, 自欺欺人, what skiing technqiues you have "improved" this season? or stuck as usual? Yup, your perpetuated shameless denials continue.

My stance & balance is better, my pressure control is better, my steering skill is better and the timing and coordianation is better and the most important thing is there are still a lot of room I can improve. But you've already stuck since you use your skiing as the standard

[taichiskiing]

I said your skiing is ok but just a skier on the middle of the run, nothing spectacular

Skiing fast and smooth on cattrack and trail is easy.

no need to post all the time again and again

But nevertheless, you think that your "poled linked short turns" are more "spectacular"? Yup, terminal L2. Given that, it also proves that you know little about the full spectrum of the "all-mountain" skiing, which also proves you are a little knowledge. Yes, skiing is supposed as simple as easy as they look, until you try to do it yourself. In the realm of highend skiing, if you cannot "see"/think of it, you probably cannot do it, and if you cannot do it, you probably won't see it. A good clip really worth to see it many many times; I've shown this clip before; nevertheless, did you see that I was doing “以意使力”，“以氣運身”in there?

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: free skiing

Yup, a terminal L2's perpetuated 自欺欺人.

That's you like 自欺欺人

No, I can back up my words any time, but you only know how to lie through your teeth.

Yup, that's your future, ternimal L2, 前途無亮.

For me, what I need to expect 前途, I am only a week end skier.You are different, you ski almost everyday during the season and creat your own type of skiing but the result is only like an high inetemediate skier.

前途 means how far you can go in your skiing development. Given the "Total Body Automation"/TBA is the final/ultimate goal of all skiing, your "Poled Linked Short Turns"/PLST and carving technique only make you 1/3 capacity of the full spectrum of skiing, and you're stuck at that level, 前途無亮.

Yup, "Talking about stuck," for the past season, you have apparently learned nothing, only thing you do better now is shameless denial over and over and again, boring, retarded, and shameless.

I learnt a lot and the most I learn is; I still need to learn a lot.You want to get approval of your skiing is excellent on the net but still nobody give you any credit.

You've got a lot to learn alright, but don't think that you are heeding your own finding. And only a little knowledge thinks that people need his approval for being excellence. When you cannot do what I do, what kind of credit you can give to me?

May be you should show us the credit given to you by anybody, otherwise it's you keep doing the shameless denial over and over and again, showing your boring, retarded skiing over and over again

Nevertheless, when you cannot do my "retarded skiing," what makes you? Retarded.

What you little knowledge doesn't know is "no one from anywhere" is only your little knowledge shameless insinuation, as well as an illegitimate inference, so it is you who are doing lying, 自欺欺人, what skiing technqiues you have "improved" this season? or stuck as usual? Yup, your perpetuated shameless denials continue.

My stance & balance is better, my pressure control is better, my steering skill is better and the timing and coordianation is better and the most important thing is there are still a lot of room I can improve. But you've already stuck since you use your skiing as the standard

Drills all over again, eh? 換湯不換藥, that's how you get stuck. Beyond the TBA, Taichi Skiing flows with gravity and becomes "oneness with gravity"—“人地合一”—when one flows with gravity, it would never stuck. Guess my standard is too high for you to see.

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我做了一段短片，我一直覺得TDK就看得懂我的動作，所以對話上比較沒問題，但有人要誤解他的話，我也沒辦法。

本來只放我的上去，後來想一下，順便再把PKU放進去一起比較，如果PKU覺得不妥，沒關係，我再改回去掉PKU的影片。

我覺得這樣的比較可以從中看出自己與其他示範者的差異，看不懂的話，看上百遍後一定能漸漸分辨出來的。

饅頭的基礎從這動作開始練起，把影片放在一起比較會更容易分析及分辨，而不是指跟誰比較會侮辱誰。

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Puting my ski video to comapare with Martin is ok for me but don't know what Martin's students think. I am only a weekend skier, nothing special of my skiing. But Martin is a professional ski instructor for 30 years.

Just take out the part of my skiing with Bernd since it's an insult to him. I can't even catch 1/3 of their speed or his almost perfect form.