SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain

[pku]

That is another difference, HH does not extend the way you think. He lets his leg getslong, and "recreating pressure" or push is a no-no.

I admire Canadian skiing.

That's actually the same, The result is getting the legs long. If you don't extned the joints, how can one get the legs long. We can also omit the term push, and said lengthen the legs, extending the legs, open up your lower joints. What is important is to get the legs long.

It's all the terms he is try to make himself special. The most important things is the outcome. Not the term you are using.

[beg]

That is another difference, HH does not extend the way you think. He lets his leg getslong, and "recreating pressure" or push is a no-no.

I admire Canadian skiing.

I think that is just differnt way to express the concept of pressure control.

[skier888]

That's actually the same, The result is getting the legs long. If you don't extned the joints, how can one get the legs long. We can also omit the term push, and said lengthen the legs, extending the legs, open up your lower joints. What is important is to get the legs long.

It's all the terms he is try to make himself special. The most important things is the outcome. Not the term you are using.

Lets not argue about this. You are trying to understand it the way you are taught. It is meaningless.

[pku]

Lets not argue about this. You are trying to understand it the way you are taught. It is meaningless.

I also get my legs long before the fallline. Of course my balance and timing is off a bit.

Since we were taught by different people and they won't be stuck in one term. It's more like the outcome they won't to see.

[skier888]

I also get my legs long before the fallline. Of course my balance and timing is off a bit.

Since we were taught by different people and they won't be stuck in one term. It's more like the outcome they won't to see.

I told you what is different, thn you said lets remove that because outcome is the same. Sure, use your logic, I can also say the outcome is skiing so all systems are the same

[pku]

I told you what is different, thn you said lets remove that because outcome is the same. Sure, use your logic, I can also say the outcome is skiing so all systems are the same

That's the terms we learn, lengthen the legs, use more joints movement, open up the joints, extending your legs. Different instructor use different terms.

The outcome is not the same, it depends. Listen to what the Canadian demo team coach said

Contemporary Skiing - YouTube

[Blake]

I am not going to be around to discuss this any more than what I have to say here...

I just want to say that I clicked the video Norman posted and I saw Harold Harb's comments
and I couldn't agree with him more. After his association with the PSIA he basically decided
that what they teach is not good and he went to form something better. I do not agree with
everything Harb has to say but I believe that his instruction is better than the PSIA for the
simple fact that it is based on racing and comes from a racer that actually knows how to ski
in the race style which is based on function. Over the last few years that I have been online
I have been absolutely shocked at some of the things that the PSIA believe. A lot of it is
nothing that any Olympic level skier could ever or would ever take seriously. If you put PSIA
people in any competition of any kind with their style they would lose. Ski competitions are
designed to determine who are great skiers and they don't fail to do so. The people who believe
in the PSIA's instruction most are the people who will be most held back in their skiing ability
after they reach an advanced level. The PSIA is good for learning what I would consider to be
basics. In fact, I think that if their goal is to teach basic technique they definitely succeed...
the guys who think that the skiing that they teach is the best skiing out there are hurting our
sport.

On another subject... Sebastian Michel is really good.

[taichiskiing]

I am not going to be around to discuss this any more than what I have to say here...

I just want to say that I clicked the video Norman posted and I saw Harold Harb's comments
and I couldn't agree with him more. After his association with the PSIA he basically decided
that what they teach is not good and he went to form something better. I do not agree with
everything Harb has to say but I believe that his instruction is better than the PSIA for the
simple fact that it is based on racing and comes from a racer that actually knows how to ski
in the race style which is based on function. Over the last few years that I have been online
I have been absolutely shocked at some of the things that the PSIA believe. A lot of it is
nothing that any Olympic level skier could ever or would ever take seriously. The PSIA people
do not know that they are a joke among all the best skiers, and if you put them is any
competition of any kind with their style they would lose. Ski competitions are designed to
determine who are great skiers and they don't fail to do so. The people who believe in the
PSIA's instruction most are the people who will be most held back in their skiing ability after
they reach an advanced level. The PSIA is good for learning what I would consider to be
basics. In fact I think that if their goal is to teach basic technique they definitely succeed...
the guys who think that the skiing that they teach is the best skiing out there are hurting
our sport.

Agree. I like HH's term "weighed release," I thought that was quite "novelty," but we "old-timers" just call it "down un-weighting." PSIA is more about a "teaching" system than "skiing" system. The goal of PSIA is to setup a system so that the students can transfer their "levels" of skills from mountain to mountain without much ado to assess their skill levels, which of course we know that doesn't work, but no matters, the students just have to take it longer to learn it, and the ski schools make more money, "skills?" who cares? Racing skills are not in their "normal" curriculum; nevertheless, if one follows the PSIA long enough, he or she will learn a good form of skiing, so PSIA works as well. Nevertheless, there is higher form of skiing than both of them—"No forms"—or "formless form," one must break its own form to get there. :)

On another subject... Sebastian Michel is really good.

Who is " Sebastian Michel "? Videos?

:)
IS

[norman]

Sebastien Michel and Jf Beaulieu invite you to train with Rookie Academy in New Zealand this summer! on Vimeo

[snowrider]

(註: 我剛剛發現有 typo 所以修正了一下)

太極兄 - 他那 Blake 根本就是神經病! 我就根本不想回他的帖子! 他的說法可以拿去 EpicSki 上面跟別人討論討論! 我承認他很牛! 但是他不能說PSIA是個笑話! 那是不是所有的 XSIA 都是笑話呢? 他搞不清楚 XSIA 的教學對象是一般大眾而不是比賽運動員! 他說HH方法比較好 - 但是他不知道HH實際上是將PSIA的一些東西偷出來改名販賣! 他說 HH 是 racer 出身所以正確 -但是他不知道 PSIA national team 裡面都是 racer 出身的! 每一個都滑得比HH還要強! 重點是: HH是個生意人 ... 知道實情的人都知道HH在PSIA meeting 時是不受歡迎的!

Agree. I like HH's term "weighed release," I thought that was quite "novelty," but we "old-timers" just call it "down un-weighting." PSIA is more about a "teaching" system than "skiing" system. The goal of PSIA is to setup a system so that the students can transfer their "levels" of skills from mountain to mountain without much ado to assess their skill levels, which of course we know that doesn't work, but no matters, the students just have to take it longer to learn it, and the ski schools make more money, "skills?" who cares? Racing skills are not in their "normal" curriculum; nevertheless, if one follows the PSIA long enough, he or she will learn a good form of skiing, so PSIA works as well. Nevertheless, there is higher form of skiing than both of them—"No forms"—or "formless form," one must break its own form to get there. :)



Who is " Sebastian Michel "? Videos?

:)
IS

[norman]

太極兄 - 他那 Blake 根本就是神經病! 我就根本不想回他的帖子! 他的說法可以拿去 EpicSki 上面跟別人討論討論! 我承認他很牛! 但是他不能說PSIA是個笑話! 那是不是所有的 XSIA 都是笑話呢? 他搞不清楚 XSIA 的教學對象是一般大眾而不是比賽運動員! 他說HH方法比較好 - 但是他不知道HH實際上是將PSIA的一些東西偷出來改名販賣! 他說PSIA是 racer 出身所以正確 -但是他不知道 PSIA national team 裡面都是 racer 出身的! 每一個都滑得比HH還要強! 重點是: HH是個生意人 ... 知道實情的人都知道HH在PSIA meeting 時是不受歡迎的!

snowrider兄：

你什麼這麼激動呀？我都沒這麼激動。

如果你知道他的著眼點及根據在哪？你就不會這麼覺得了，試著把心跟眼放寬一點，為什麼？

他說的不是PSIA的技術，而是教學系統方法，他不明白為什麼你們要教那種方式，就像你嘲笑了熊貓兄跟Martin Heckelman是一樣的意思，其實你們的教法跟這兩位的出發點真的很不同，我知道他在EpicSki氣個不輕。

另一點是，我的豚跳能在雪場跳成功，有一部份還是要歸功他講的踼小沙包練習，如果懂的練及練什麼，確實是很有幫助的，而你們PSIA不會教如何快速練會豚跳的捷徑吧？快速練會下直線饅頭的方法吧？

他就看得懂我影片在做什麼動作，因為這是進步快速的唯一正確捷徑，但我不懂為何你們一直不能理解。

[pku]

太極兄 - 他那 Blake 根本就是神經病! 我就根本不想回他的帖子! 他的說法可以拿去 EpicSki 上面跟別人討論討論! 我承認他很牛! 但是他不能說PSIA是個笑話! 那是不是所有的 XSIA 都是笑話呢? 他搞不清楚 XSIA 的教學對象是一般大眾而不是比賽運動員! 他說HH方法比較好 - 但是他不知道HH實際上是將PSIA的一些東西偷出來改名販賣! 他說PSIA是 racer 出身所以正確 -但是他不知道 PSIA national team 裡面都是 racer 出身的! 每一個都滑得比HH還要強! 重點是: HH是個生意人 ... 知道實情的人都知道HH在PSIA meeting 時是不受歡迎的!

我絕對讚對讚同你的講法

[snowrider]

我沒有激動! 你會臀跳你厲害! 我不會! PSIA 教滑磨菇是用 around the bump ... 既然你這麼厲害 - 那我希望能夠跟你切磋切磋了!

snowrider兄：

你什麼這麼激動呀？我都沒這麼激動。

如果你知道他的著眼點及根據在哪？你就不會這麼覺得了，試著把心跟眼放寬一點，為什麼？

他說的不是PSIA的技術，而是教學系統方法，他不明白為什麼你們要教那種方式，就像你嘲笑了熊貓兄跟Martin Heckelman是一樣的意思，其實你們的教法跟這兩位的出發點真的很不同，我知道他在EpicSki氣個不輕。

另一點是，我的豚跳能在雪場跳成功，有一部份還是要歸功他講的踼小沙包練習，如果懂的練及練什麼，確實是很有幫助的，而你們PSIA不會教如何快速練會豚跳的捷徑吧？快速練會下直線饅頭的方法吧？

他就看得懂我影片在做什麼動作，因為這是進步快速的唯一正確捷徑，但我不懂為何你們一直不能理解。

[pku]

snowrider兄：

你什麼這麼激動呀？我都沒這麼激動。

如果你知道他的著眼點及根據在哪？你就不會這麼覺得了，試著把心跟眼放寬一點，為什麼？

他說的不是PSIA的技術，而是教學系統方法，他不明白為什麼你們要教那種方式，就像你嘲笑了熊貓兄跟Martin Heckelman是一樣的意思，其實你們的教法跟這兩位的出發點真的很不同，我知道他在EpicSki氣個不輕。

另一點是，我的豚跳能在雪場跳成功，有一部份還是要歸功他講的踼小沙包練習，如果懂的練及練什麼，確實是很有幫助的，而你們PSIA不會教如何快速練會豚跳的捷徑吧？快速練會下直線饅頭的方法吧？

他就看得懂我影片在做什麼動作，因為這是進步快速的唯一正確捷徑，但我不懂為何你們一直不能理解。

你的豚跳到了饅頭變了死豚

人家PSIA的豚跳在饅頭仍輕快自在。

在論壇是這樣，一定有吹牛大師跟人鬥咀

[snowrider]

pku - 謝謝! 我們一群 6 人會在 02/21 到達 Whistler 然後 滑 02/22, 23, 24 然後乘 02/25 的飛機離開! 希望能夠有機會跟你碰面!

我絕對讚對讚同你的講法

[norman]

我沒有激動! 你會臀跳你厲害! 我不會! PSIA 教滑磨菇是用 around the bump ... 既然你這麼厲害 - 那我希望能夠跟你切磋切磋了!

我用的是另一種方法，但還沒練好呀，就說我的滑雪日實在太少了，要是真想看我的方法更成熟，至少還需要6~12個滑雪天，我說過了，滑雪天乃是我最大的問題，不然切磋有何問題。

[norman]

你的豚跳到了饅頭變了死豚

人家PSIA的豚跳在饅頭仍輕快自在。

在論壇是這樣，一定有吹牛大師跟人鬥咀

只在雪場滑道長度600公尺練個三趟而已，累計練習的長度也不過1800公尺而已，你能期待什麼？能跳的起來就不錯了，再精進還是需要滑雪日，而不是在家練練體力就好了，這是滑雪日不夠的問題。

再說，我有其他更重要的動作需要練習，豚跳以後有空再精進就行了。

[pku]

只在雪場滑道長度600公尺練個三趟而已，累計練習的長度也不過1800公尺而已，你能期待什麼？能跳的起來就不錯了，再精進還是需要滑雪日，而不是在家練練體力就好了，這是滑雪日不夠的問題。

再說，我有其他更重要的動作需要練習，豚跳以後有空再精進就行了。

你練直排輪豚跳已不少時間，

[pku]

pku - 謝謝! 我們一群 6 人會在 02/21 到達 Whistler 然後 滑 02/22, 23, 24 然後乘 02/25 的飛機離開! 希望能夠有機會跟你碰面!

雖然我左腳尾趾後那塊骨發發炎，星期天試滑一天，發覺滑雪時影響不大，只是穿 ski boots 走路很不舒服

你來時應該可一起滑，因泊車因素，我們都在 whistler 那邊，很少過 blackcomb ，

我們通常九點四十五分，會在 Chic Pea 集合，上厠所和熱身，大都會約在那處見

[Blake]

taichiskiing:Nevertheless, there is higher form of skiing than both of
them—"No forms"—or "formless form," one must break its own form to get there. :)


This is exactly what one of the commentaries I am making is going to be about. One will be
a mogul commentary, the other will be a non-mogul commentary on what you said here. I'll
be referring to it as 'skiing in a natural style'.