norman 寫:......................................................................實在不明白為何CSIA要設4級，................:20070217220246:

CSIA L4 是國際教練資格. 有ISIA章. xSIA L3則無.
L4 難很多, $$$ and ttt, 需每年回去受訓.

norman 寫:剛才想起很久以前知道的一件事。

就我所知，還是有專門在教L3的總教頭，因為Paul Romagna就是專門在教L3的教練。

但是Paul Romagna的級數也是L3，所以L3裏還是有暗分級數的。

像APSI只有3級，NZSIA也只是有3級，PSIA也是只有3級，而CSIA有4級，而前三種L1等同CSIA L2，所以前三種會比較難考。

這樣看來，好像只有CSIA有4級的樣子，但說真的，我覺得教練最少要有CSIA L2才算是有點實力，實在不明白為何CSIA要設4級，有時感覺上會讓人覺得那個CSIA L1是用來賺錢的。:20070217220246:

去找太極大師的回文就知道更高階的有那些

norman 寫:我覺得這界限有點模糊。

因為已達expert，還要請expert教，而又要求the feel，那再上去是什麼？

頂再頂，太難理解了。

那有可能是已達expert，但動作不夠正確的嗎？動作就算很流暢，很有感覺，但動作不夠正確，這個算是expert嗎？聽起來這種程度就是要看誰的滑雪天數夠多的感覺耶。

你看外國人的評語就知道了。我這對教學外行的也看的出來。太極大師也有說。如果你看不懂陰文，看我說的也一樣。因為太明顯，連我都分的出:face (50):

taichiskiing 寫: ...
另外，據我所知，PSIA的教練進級是一級一級升的而最多一年進一級，所以他在兩年升三級是一個很持殊的例子 --> 人事關係？對，他“這標準似乎低了些”。

:)
IS

The restriction is total teaching hours (but not total years). Some special cases do exist - for people with recognized achievement. Then those people can take fast track to get level-3 directly with no restriction.

norman 寫:剛才想起很久以前知道的一件事。

就我所知，還是有專門在教L3的總教頭，因為Paul Romagna就是專門在教L3的教練。

但是Paul Romagna的級數也是L3，所以L3裏還是有暗分級數的。

像APSI只有3級，NZSIA也只是有3級，PSIA也是只有3級，而CSIA有4級，而前三種L1等同CSIA L2，所以前三種會比較難考。

這樣看來，好像只有CSIA有4級的樣子，但說真的，我覺得教練最少要有CSIA L2才算是有點實力，實在不明白為何CSIA要設4級，有時感覺上會讓人覺得那個CSIA L1是用來賺錢的。:20070217220246:

Not necessarily. It's just different associations have different categories and different disciplines.

snowrider 寫:The restriction is total teaching hours (but not total years). Some special cases do exist - for people with recognized achievement. Then those people can take fast track to get level-3 directly with no restriction.

So, what's the total teaching hours needed to qualify to take next level's exam? And he was not some kind of "people with recognized achievement" but a "never-ever" newbie. Given that he only has two years to learn all the skiing as every never-ever does, and to learn and practice all the L3 techniques, it is doubtful that he has time to teach and to cumulate enough teaching hours to qualify the exams he took.

:)
IS

taichiskiing 寫:So, what's the total teaching hours needed to qualify to take next level's exam? And he was not some kind of "people with recognized achievement" but a "never-ever" newbie. Given that he only has two years to learn all the skiing as every never-ever does, and to learn and practice all the L3 techniques, it is doubtful that he has time to teach and to cumulate enough teaching hours to qualify the exams he took.

:)
IS

From my division (same requirements as other divisions):
http://www.psia-e.org/ed/alpine/AlpineExamGuide.pdf
The following lists the required hours:
25 hours - becoming a member
50 hours - level-1
150 hours - level-2
300 hours - level-3

skier666 寫:你看外國人的評語就知道了。我這對教學外行的也看的出來。太極大師也有說。如果你看不懂陰文，看我說的也一樣。因為太明顯，連我都分的出:face (50):

我在想，我們是不是有點對不上話，因為您說的那些評語都是針對他第十八個月的影片。

而我是在講他第24個月的動作，因為他的第24個月影片放出來後，後面就沒有任何評語了，所以我看不出您在說哪裏。

再次貼他的討論串如下，他的影片在第25篇留言：

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/859 ... on-request


下面是第24個月的影片：

YouTube- Year Two


所以我想確定一下，我們是不是在講第24個月的影片。:20070217220246:


ps. 另外我認為，如果動作不正確，但滑得看起來還蠻不錯，又很流暢，又很有feel，在鬆雪跟饅頭也下得很快又很順的樣子，說實在的，如果因為動作不夠正確，我不認為這種可以稱為expert，我只會覺得動作有點鳥而已。

另外，我覺得如果有人花了兩年的時間專攻滑雪技術及考試，可學的動作已經很夠了，如果要是有人這麼努力學我的方法，我又每天花大量的時間教，我相信從初學者到我現在的程度及眼力，一個月內就綽綽有餘了，我的東西不多，更何況人家花了兩年的時間，說實在的，我有看過他第54天的動作，我覺得他的第54天的動作實在不如我。:face (334):

norman 寫:我在想，我們是不是有點對不上話，因為您說的那些評語都是針對他第十八個月的影片。

而我是在講他第24個月的動作，因為他的第24個月影片放出來後，後面就沒有任何評語了，所以我看不出您在說哪裏。

再次貼他的討論串如下，他的影片在第25篇留言：

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/859 ... on-request


下面是第24個月的影片：

YouTube- Year Two

所以我想確定一下，我們是不是在講第24個月的影片。:20070217220246:


ps. 另外我認為，如果動作不正確，但滑得看起來還蠻不錯，又很流暢，又很有feel，在鬆雪跟饅頭也下得很快又很順的樣子，說實在的，如果因為動作不夠正確，我不認為這種可以稱為expert，我只會覺得動作有點鳥而已。

另外，我覺得如果有人花了兩年的時間專攻滑雪技術及考試，可學的動作已經很夠了，如果要是有人這麼努力學我的方法，我又每天花大量的時間教，我相信從初學者到我現在的程度及眼力，一個月內就綽綽有餘了，我的東西不多，更何況人家花了兩年的時間，說實在的，我有看過他第54天的動作，我覺得他的第54天的動作實在不如我。:face (334):

This one looks better than the previous one. One interesting thing is that in the end of the vedio, location is "White Pass". That's where the White Pass turn was originated from.

snowrider 寫:From my division (same requirements as other divisions):
http://www.psia-e.org/ed/alpine/AlpineExamGuide.pdf
The following lists the required hours:
25 hours - becoming a member
50 hours - level-1
150 hours - level-2
300 hours - level-3

So, just for comparison, how long (in term of many seasons) for you to accumulate the first 50 "teaching hours"? Besides that you have to be a ski instructor first, how did you get hired as ski instructor in the first place? (I assume that you already knew how to ski very well then, not a newbie.)

:)
IS

taichiskiing 寫:So, just for comparison, how long (in term of many seasons) for you to accumulate the first 50 "teaching hours"? Besides that you have to be a ski instructor first, how did you get hired as ski instructor in the first place? (I assume that you already knew how to ski very well then, not a newbie.)

:)
IS

It looks lie the eastern division rquires 3 years membership to become L3 normally, more teaching hours as well.

norman 寫:我在想，我們是不是有點對不上話，因為您說的那些評語都是針對他第十八個月的影片。

而我是在講他第24個月的動作，因為他的第24個月影片放出來後，後面就沒有任何評語了，所以我看不出您在說哪裏。

再次貼他的討論串如下，他的影片在第25篇留言：

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/859 ... on-request


下面是第24個月的影片：

YouTube- Year Two

所以我想確定一下，我們是不是在講第24個月的影片。:20070217220246:


ps. 另外我認為，如果動作不正確，但滑得看起來還蠻不錯，又很流暢，又很有feel，在鬆雪跟饅頭也下得很快又很順的樣子，說實在的，如果因為動作不夠正確，我不認為這種可以稱為expert，我只會覺得動作有點鳥而已。

另外，我覺得如果有人花了兩年的時間專攻滑雪技術及考試，可學的動作已經很夠了，如果要是有人這麼努力學我的方法，我又每天花大量的時間教，我相信從初學者到我現在的程度及眼力，一個月內就綽綽有餘了，我的東西不多，更何況人家花了兩年的時間，說實在的，我有看過他第54天的動作，我覺得他的第54天的動作實在不如我。:face (334):

第24個月影片。動作真確與否是相對的。你的東西問題很多只是你不知道罷了

taichiskiing 寫:So, just for comparison, how long (in term of many seasons) for you to accumulate the first 50 "teaching hours"? Besides that you have to be a ski instructor first, how did you get hired as ski instructor in the first place? (I assume that you already knew how to ski very well then, not a newbie.)

:)
IS

That's what happened ... One time when I rided a chair, it was a ski instructor next to me. We talked. I asked him how I could get the opportunity to get more adanced training. He answered, becoming a ski instructor. So I applied for an instructor job. They interviewed me, watched me skiing , and then offered me the job. After that, I took out internally required instructor training course. It's like all instructors need to teach in accordance to a standard cook book. After the internal training, I shadowed teaching couple times. Then they had senior watched my teaching to approve my "graduation", which meant that I was able to start teaching by myself without their supervise.

I part-time only on weekend. That's very quick to get 50 hours. Say, teaching 3 courses a day = 1.5 hrs x 3 = 4.5 hrs. Of course, I don't want to keep teaching, and I want to have my own time. If there is no line up, I ski with my friends or practice by my own. One good thing being an instructor is that we have internal training every moring before the resort opens. The first lineup is 10:00 AM, our training is 8:30-9:45 AM. We ski first track (, and also we are the ones to clean up the lift chairs ... by our butts.

snowrider 寫:That's what happened ... One time when I rided a chair, it was a ski instructor next to me. We talked. I asked him how I could get the opportunity to get more adanced training. He answered, becoming a ski instructor. So I applied for an instructor job. They interviewed me, watched me skiing , and then offered me the job. After that, I took out internally required instructor training course. It's like all instructors need to teach in accordance to a standard cook book. After the internal training, I shadowed teaching couple times. Then they had senior watched my teaching to approve my "graduation", which meant that I was able to start teaching by myself without their supervise.

Well, my experience was a little different. I taught at the Heavenly in 98-99 season as an uncert. In my application, I told them that I have skied 24 years; there was no interview, they told me I'd be hired if I completed their new instructors' clinic in a letter, which I did, and I was hired before I knew it. But on my demon to ski parallel turns in the first internal training I was holding both of my poles on my left hand and skied the no poles style. The trainer wasn't happy and scorned me, "Impressive, but when you ski in uniform, use poles properly." After that, I quitted my certification process. And they didn't like me to ski backward to coach my students neither, so I didn't get rehired next season. Which was a good thing—had I been continuing teaching and training with them/PSIA, Taichi Skiing would have never been fully developed.

I part-time only on weekend. That's very quick to get 50 hours. Say, teaching 3 courses a day = 1.5 hrs x 3 = 4.5 hrs. Of course, I don't want to keep teaching, and I want to have my own time. If there is no line up, I ski with my friends or practice by my own. One good thing being an instructor is that we have internal training every moring before the resort opens. The first lineup is 10:00 AM, our training is 8:30-9:45 AM. We ski first track (, and also we are the ones to clean up the lift chairs ... by our butts.

Well, as a new instructor I was at the bottom to receive teaching assignments. At the time, I was needing money, so I tried to get any class I can get, and I was the one teaching most people (by head counts) in the season. Still, I taught mostly one class/two-hour a day (not every working day I got works), maybe two on busy holidays, and only one day in the whole season I taught three classes. That's to say, cumulating the real "teaching hours" is not as easy as it sounds. So I am really curious about that guy's teaching experience, hence his qualifications.

:)
IS

Those are good storeis

taichiskiing 寫:... And they didn't like me to ski backward to coach my students neither, so I didn't get rehired next season. ...

Thanks for sharing. You are lucky having a big one (Heavenly) as your home resort. Mine is pretty small (but it's close to where I live). You were not rehired because you did not follow their cookbook to teach. Skiing backward is actually encouraged in certain situations for teaching never-ever at my resort.

skier666 寫:Those are good storeis

Thanks. It is a myth to me why people think that ski instructors are a glamour profession, making big money, lots of free skiing, etc., etc., maybe [thoughts] inherited from the good old days when skiing was only a rich man's sport. In facts, one of the ski magazine reported that last year American ski instructors made an average of $7,000. The year I worked, I made around $3,500 and I had the highest head count (they paid $2 a head then), and the highest guy made around $20,000 (they got tipped a lot). Yup, that's hardly nothing for making a living in America, so in reality, here in America, if one doesn't have the passion to teach skiing, he or she won't survive in this business. And a lot of people think that being a ski instructor gets free ski, but, with today's cheap season pass's price, why bother, get a season pass, you can ski all you want without the hassles going back to line-up every two hours. I made 143 days this season, that average out $4 a day for the lift.

:)
IS

snowrider 寫:Thanks for sharing. You are lucky having a big one (Heavenly) as your home resort. Mine is pretty small (but it's close to where I live). You were not rehired because you did not follow their cookbook to teach. Skiing backward is actually encouraged in certain situations for teaching never-ever at my resort.

Well, nothing by chance, think back, I have "worked" hard 35 years to get here, now I'm“山人成仙”：）

I've learned how to ski at now Sierra-at-Tahoe 35 years ago, where California was in snow drought, so I moved to New England for the "78 Nor'easter," and I've been chasing for the perfect snow ever since, through Alaska, Colorado, to Canadian Rockies, and finally ended up in Tahoe where I began, yup, I have returned "home," so I stayed.

Time has changed, now I see them instructors ski no-poles and backward to lead the classes all over the mountains, but back then it was no-no—they wanted the instructors to "demonstrate" the proper skiing techniques in the front of the class. The problem is that most of times the instructor is way ahead of the class and has no idea whether or not the class is following him or her properly. To ski backward, the instructor not just leads the class to ski a proper line of decent, which is actually more important than teaching just turning, but also a "confidence" builder, when the students rip of their fears, they learn better. I think PSIA had droped the ball on this teaching method.

:)
IS

臺灣教練把倒滑當基本技術耶！我就讓教練倒滑著教過 ...
有時碰到一些一出飯店就是超陡斜坡的雪場，有些初學者要由教練倒滑著牽下山，才能上纜車 ....

taichiskiing 寫:... I made 143 days this season, that average out $4 a day for the lift.

:)
IS

Gosh ... you don't even need to work? I don't have that luxury to ski that many days a year.