norman 寫:...關於您說的這部份，您想得太嚴重了...

What to say? Anyway, god bless you!

PSBoy 寫:As I know, you are a gentleman Please come with me - we (you and me) try to discuss ourselves instead of talking about others.

這個同意, 不然只會變成網絡口水戰. 但有時技術討論也很難不直指某人的技術, 有時可能要先古計一下對方的接受能力.

PSBoy 寫:You can easily find some people who like to do that in the different forums. You can also see that they are unwelcome members usually.

這個不能全同意, 有時會是這個原因, 但很多時都是商業理由, 只要不是同一門派便會引致被攻擊, 被攻擊者自衛又被當為壞人. PMTS　的　MAX　在 EPICS 便是一個好例子, 他很客氣, 只談技術, 但結果也是被 BAN 了.
就剛發生的，　其他元老就是開口笑 TDK 也沒事啊. 這說明, 我們只要做好自己便是, 不用拿其他網作標準, 他們因應自己的內情定下自己的[標準], 反正也不是很標準.
http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/952 ... st_1237843

TDK6 has this thought that noone is an expert skier besides himself, he even in his minds thinks he is 'better" than these WC at off trail skiing.

希望大家不要把這裡變成駡戰的戰場.

ams 寫:這個同意, 不然只會變成網絡口水戰. 但有時技術討論也很難不直指某人的技術, 有時可能要先古計一下對方的接受能力.

Great! Wish we could stick to this rule - Be considerate!

ams 寫: 這個不能全同意, 有時會是這個原因, 但很多時都是商業理由, 只要不是同一門派便會引致被攻擊, 被攻擊者自衛又被當為壞人. PMTS　的　MAX　在 EPICS 便是一個好例子, 他很客氣, 只談技術, 但結果也是被 BAN 了.

I don't know the case so I have no comment and am not appropriate to give comment, right? Here I quote again the main point of my previous post for your reference "As adults, we have the right to believe or not believe – it is up to your own choice Respect is the key for our communication "

ams 寫:希望大家不要把這裡變成駡戰的戰場

It was also implied in my previous post

PSBoy 寫:Great! Wish we could stick to this rule - Be considerate!

PSBoy 寫:Honestly, your tone may be a bit over. Perhaps, this sentence is well worth to consider - 對某些人來說, 我這方法可能有較佳的進步.

Since you say so I shall quote this as an example, I ll propose to avoid it as it could easily lead to endless exchange of 'educational' words. A more peaceful way is probably to avoid further response

a love fest going on this forum will be dead

I am here solely to counter the non-sense being represented as expert opinions on this forum. The reason we have this forum is because norm has no place else to go he would be banned on all western forums if he keeps the same tone

PSBoy 寫:Norman, I believe that you have some reasons to support your methodology (i.e. 我把身體分成上、中、下三部份). If you don't mind, please tell me what are the major strong reasons? I think this is a good way to show the advantages of your approach As the same time, you can learn the good stuff from the other teaching systems as well.

Here we talk about U/L separation. That is 2 segments. He has to jump in with his theory about 3 body segments. The problem is that you find out he is not talking about separation if you look at the waist steering thread. Waist steering emphasize core and you can't turn if you have this kind of separation. So here we have it. It is either he misunderstand the technique or mis-represent it. All he will say is "you don't understand".

ams 寫: Since you say so I shall quote this as an example, I ll propose to avoid it as it could easily lead to endless exchange of 'educational' words. A more peaceful way is probably to avoid further response

Obviously, it's pure your assumption because in fact there is no nonstop exchange of educational words. Anyway, I respect your intention - A more peaceful way is probably to avoid further response. So, I don't want to suggest some statements which you should avoid. Wish you could also respect your own intention.

skier666 寫:Here we talk about U/L separation. That is 2 segments. He has to jump in with his theory about 3 body segments. The problem is that you find out he is not talking about separation if you look at the waist steering thread. Waist steering emphasize core and you can't turn if you have this kind of separation. So here we have it. It is either he misunderstand the technique or mis-represent it. All he will say is "you don't understand".

Skier666, I know "you don't understand" is a typical answer and also have a rough idea of his ski knowledge, ability and mentality. That's why I said – "Honestly, your tone may be a bit over. Perhaps, this sentence is well worth to consider - 對某些人來說, 我這方法可能有較佳的進步" and "What to say? Anyway, god bless you!". Anyway, I would keep a neutral relationship unless he gives dirty word to me.

It is entertainment Sometimes I throw a bone or two for him to entertain us He also benefits from the material we have provided

skier666 寫:It is entertainment Sometimes I throw a bone or two for him to entertain us He also benefits from the material we have provided

I think that's the main point Master already received some very serious words like 'shameless, 無恥'. There are no point to add more salt to the already injured. Besides, I dont think we could beat his 'understanding of skiing' as i heard 'one can not see beyond himself'. So its normal for him to defend his 'understanding', yet he can not make us understand his 'understanding' and therefore we often see 'you dont understand'. Lets hope he will get more 'understanding' when he meet one of us on the mountain in the future.

skier666 寫:The reason we have this forum is because norm has no place else to go he would be banned on all western forums if he keeps the same tone

I think it not only happen to him. As I understand it all western forums I frequently participated( pmts, epics, moderskiracing) ban foreign-experts (experts of not their own school). An insider story is that my friend was banned in moderskiracing.com. He was asked to leave in private after some querying of their unbeatable waisteering technique.
So, I ll say the formula is probably anyone claiming himself an expert in a foreign(not the same school) forum will be unwelcome or banned. ?

ams 寫:I think it not only happen to him. As I understand it all western forums I frequently participated( pmts, epics, moderskiracing) ban foreign-experts (experts of not their own school). An insider story is that my friend was banned in moderskiracing.com. He was asked to leave in private after some querying of their unbeatable waisteering technique.
So, I ll say the formula is probably anyone claiming himself an expert in a foreign(not the same school) forum will be unwelcome or banned. ?

That is too bad

skier666 寫:That is too bad

I take that as normal. If you aware the western forums I named are all commercial. They just can't let the schools they represent be queried of their significancy. It's also is my current understanding that it doesn't make much sense to judge one's skiing from other school's point of view. The reason being the core technique is different. Insisting on 'teaching' people of other schools only results from exchange of unkind words. In the case of our master he really have to ski with people like us to find us disappearing in front of his bare eyes, hopelessly, to realize his level of skiing.

呵呵，我得益於大家，大家卻不能得益於我，可惜呀。

我不懂大家說的，能得益於大家，是因討論嚐試了解而漸懂大家說的。

而大家不懂我說的，因為不能得益於我，因拒決了解我的方式，終究還是不懂我說的。

講句俗點的比喻，大家都懂自己身邊的人嗎？連身邊的人都不能完全懂，那又如何懂一個不認識的人呢？

身體分兩段跟分三段的作法，差別是很大的，就像能使得好雙截棍，不一定能使得好三截棍，對吧？:20070217213814:

Ps. 我今年還能不能出門，我真的不確定，不然就能先找時間跟地點了，一起滑幾趟不就知道了嗎？

norman 寫:呵呵，我得益於大家，大家卻不能得益於我，可惜呀。

我不懂大家說的，能得益於大家，是因討論嚐試了解而漸懂大家說的。

而大家不懂我說的，因為不能得益於我，因拒決了解我的方式，終究還是不懂我說的。

講句俗點的比喻，大家都懂自己身邊的人嗎？連身邊的人都不能完全懂，那又如何懂一個不認識的人呢？

身體分兩段跟分三段的作法，差別是很大的，就像能使得好雙截棍，不一定能使得好三截棍，對吧？:20070217213814:

Ps. 我今年還能不能出門，我真的不確定，不然就能先找時間跟地點了，一起滑幾趟不就知道了嗎？

那些材料是我們拿出來餵狗的

所謂狗嘴吐不出象牙

See how he treats others

norman 寫:這次是我第一次聽到您講的這麼正確耶。

This is how he treats himself

norman 寫:只能怪我眼力那麼好幹嘛。

skier666 寫:那些材料是我們拿出來餵狗的

所謂狗嘴吐不出象牙

See how he treats others





This is how he treats himself

原來是被我傷到自尊心了。

在那之前我聽他講最多的就是在講折膝，要練折膝的動作，所以就變成我的刻版印象了。:20070217213814:

我貼下面這討論片來看，也許從影片中您有另外新解的看法。其他的類似討論串我就不找了。我只能說lelo兄也進步了。

http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showthread.php?t=216


眼力好不能怪我，這是事實，因為我的進步速度確實是得益於我的眼力，所以傷到眼力不好的自尊心，我先道歉囉。

norman 寫:原來是被我傷到自尊心了。

在那之前我聽他講最多的就是在講折膝，要練折膝的動作，所以就變成我的刻版印象了。:20070217213814:

我貼下面這討論片來看，也許從影片中您有另外新解的看法。其他的類似討論串我就不找了。我只能說lelo兄也進步了。

http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showthread.php?t=216


眼力好不能怪我，這是事實，因為我的進步速度確實是得益於我的眼力，所以傷到眼力不好的自尊心，我先道歉囉。

你很會嘎搞笑 你的滑雪技術還不到會傷人自尊的程度 你那些話在別的論壇說了幾年了 再説10年也還是那一套吧

skier666 寫:你很會嘎搞笑 你的滑雪技術還不到會傷人自尊的程度 你那些話在別的論壇說了幾年了 再説10年也還是那一套吧

那就好。

你的敗筆就在於你的技術太差 如果你的技術夠水準沒有什麽人敢跟你爭論 另外你術語不是亂用就是定義不清 這問題由來已久

skier666 寫:你的敗筆就在於你的技術太差 如果你的技術夠水準沒有什麽人敢跟你爭論 另外你術語不是亂用就是定義不清 這問題由來已久

您不覺得我從來不在意這個問題嗎？

因為文字及用法的差異性，本來就很難統一了，難道我不能用同一個字來描述其他不同的用法嗎？

關於動作技術的問題，這更不是我在意的問題，不過我也說了，下次滑雪拍片回來，一定會知道我練的方法可以進步多快而沒有障礙了。所以再讓您這樣講也講不了多久了，所以我才不在意囉。