I think it's a Z turn. It looks to me your turns was ending with your weight on the old outside skis and you were riding on it as a new inside skis in your new turns. That's how you get through the upper parts of the Z turn. This is evidenced by the running away of the outside skis near the end of your turn. To changeover you shift your weight to your outside skis like what people did in a mini-hockey stop and resulted in some skidding before the new turn starts. This completes the tail of the Z turn. Your turns repeat this way by riding on your old outside skis on the new Z.
#74 回覆: 這個是「Z」彎嗎？
發表於 : 週四 4月 01, 2010 2:47 pm
由 norman
carver_hk 寫:大師, 有興趣可以用我 id 代貼啊, 我也想知大師們怎麼看. 這大慨是之前的意思.
I think it's a Z turn. It looks to me your turns was ending with your weight on the old outside skis and you were riding on it as a new inside skis in your new turns. That's how you get through the upper parts of the Z turn. This is evidenced by the running away of the outside skis near the end of your turn. To changeover you shift your weight to your outside skis like what people did in a mini-hockey stop and resulted in some skidding before the new turn starts. This completes the tail of the Z turn. Your turns repeat this way by riding on your old outside skis on the new Z.
carver兄：
您就忍耐一下吧，這話題您實在不適合插話。
因為我們主要不是在針對文字上的解釋說詞如何，而是以看片的能力所有爭議，這才是最大分岐的地方。
您把話插進去，只是會模糊看片的焦點而已，就讓這個話題單純點吧。:face (341):
#75 回覆: 這個是「Z」彎嗎？
發表於 : 週四 4月 01, 2010 2:56 pm
由 carver_hk
norman 寫:您把話插進去，只是會模糊看片的焦點而已，就讓這個話題單純點吧。:face (341):
So no more debating on the "Z turn" vs "C turn"? I would say that both Carver and Norman are correct. It really depends on how you see this question.
Why? Carver's point is that Norman's turns are not in round shape "C turn" - which is correct. Norman's point is that his turns is not in Z shape - which is also correct.
It's like you bring an apple to ask people whether it is an orange. They will tell you "no, it's not an orange". Even if it is not an orange, it is still not a banana though - if you want to eat banana.
Therefore, how about to open a new thread to discuss another topic?!
#80 回覆: 這個是「Z」彎嗎？
發表於 : 週五 4月 02, 2010 9:59 pm
由 taichiskiing
snowrider 寫:So no more debating on the "Z turn" vs "C turn"? I would say that both Carver and Norman are correct. It really depends on how you see this question.
Why? Carver's point is that Norman's turns are not in round shape "C turn" - which is correct. Norman's point is that his turns is not in Z shape - which is also correct.
Not really, as I said, Z-turns are caused by excessive skidding and park-and-ride hesitations, and there are no real Z-turns in any of the clips shown. Norman was wrong by suggesting that the first demo clip was doing Z-turns, as the skier, though skidded a bit, but the turns were rounded Not Z, and the skiing was flowing smoothly. And carver's point was just a pathetic bashing used to rattle norman, (just saying something opposite to what Norman said,) which has no real creditable facts in his arguments.
It's like you bring an apple to ask people whether it is an orange. They will tell you "no, it's not an orange". Even if it is not an orange, it is still not a banana though - if you want to eat banana.
So, the answers were wrong.
Therefore, how about to open a new thread to discuss another topic?!
You probably won't like it, skiing at Lake Tahoe/Sierra Nevada mountains is at its prime mid-winter conditions—cold and fast powdery snow, warm bright spring sun/light and cool spring breezes—excellent spring skiing conditions, and another month to go.
其實大師目的是什麼? z 彎本身不是錯, 只是你不想 z 彎又滑出了 z 彎才是問題. 還要問 epics? 你不是已經知自己問題嗎? 是不是怎樣解決問題才是改善技術的路? 