I have visited the PMTS website as suggested by ams and Norman. I have also read this thread in the forum. http://pmts.org/pmtsforum/viewtopic.php ... 912#p30221
It seems the accredited PMTS instructor is better than PSIA a lot. Do you agree PMTS is the strongest method in the world?

PSBoy 寫:It seems the accredited PMTS instructor is better than PSIA a lot.

這是你的意見嗎?

PSBoy 寫:Do you agree PMTS is the strongest method in the world?

是不是應該先學會全世界的學派的基本技術精要, 而且能做出來才能算是能體會各家的長短? 還沒有達到這水平的憑什麼給大家意見? 感覺? 個人覺得做不到的話只能說(從表面看)相信那個好一些. 就是大法我們也很難證他比不上 psia.

ams 寫:這是你的意見嗎?...

Absolutely not! Did you see the thread? Some contents are extracted for your easy reference (I guess h.harb is the founder).

'a Green Level PMTS instructor can and should teach a level 6 or 7 PSIA student.'
'all Green Level PMTS instructors can and should be able to help Level 2 and many Level 3 PSIA instructors to ski better'

ams 寫:...是不是應該先學會全世界的學派的基本技術精要, 而且能做出來才能算是能體會各家的長短?...

It's a very scientific approach but life is too short...haha!

PSBoy 寫:It's a very scientific approach but life is too short...haha!

這些都是生意人說自己的好說話, 合情合理, 但對不對真的很難說得準. 就是大師說大法好那你證他不好給我看看便知有多難. life is too short is always true, I would just spend more time learning whatever i like to learn from any school. of course difference people take different thing as fun, just that what I worry is judging from passion is not fair for the general public.

PSBoy 寫:'a Green Level PMTS instructor can and should teach a level 6 or 7 PSIA student.'

just for fun, i ll be happy to see you prove this statement as true or false.

psia level 7: Level Seven
Level Seven skiers ski controlled parallel turns and can ski very well on blue trails. Level Seven skiers can control their speed and rhythm on black diamond trails, but they are looking to ski on challenging trails with better style. Level Seven skiers can adjust the size and length of their turns and are learning to ski on a variety of different types of snow and terrain.

pmts green level instructor ability chart:
Green Groomed blue skiing Release consistently using the old stance leg and foot as the initiators.


Both skis maintain the same edge angle and rate of change of edge angle, and shins remain parallel, during transition to engagement.


Both skis continue to increase angle to surface as turn progresses using ski design to determine turn size and direction.

Demonstrations All direction changes begin with a movement toward the little-toe edge.


The stance ski remains passive in transition and changes direction through reaction to free foot actions.
ok, how to proof when they are talking about very different skills or technique

ams 寫:just for fun, i ll be happy to see you prove this statement as true or false.

How can I prove the statement? I'm sure it's over my ability honestly.

Anyway, I'm very happy to tell you that the PMTS online materials are very good for me. I spent a lot of time to read the materials and threads in the past few days. The technical discussions are very scientific and logical but the tone is a bit over sometimes. Maybe I understand why you like PMTS so much.

PSBoy 寫:How can I prove the statement? I'm sure it's over my ability honestly.

我只是嘗試列舉證明 [Harald 的說法]是否屬實的方法, 我沒有考慮過你的能力是否可以證明他的話是對是錯.

PSBoy 寫:I believe that respect is the key for the discussion with different parties.

PSBoy 寫:I spent a lot of time to read the materials and threads in the past few days. The technical discussions are very scientific and logical but the tone is a bit over sometimes. Maybe I understand why you like PMTS so much.

我不知什麼時候跟你說過我很喜歡 PMTS, 而且還跟 tone 拉上這麼大的關係, 但我很是喜歡理性討論. 希望這 discussion 不是關乎我個人的問題.

ams 寫:我只是嘗試列舉證明 [Harald 的說法]是否屬實的方法, 我沒有考慮過你的能力是否可以證明他的話是對是錯.


我不知什麼時候跟你說過我很喜歡 PMTS, 而且還跟 tone 拉上這麼大的關係, 但我很是喜歡理性討論. 希望這 discussion 不是關乎我個人的問題.

Don't think too complicated! Just told you my ability

The tone is related to the threads in PMTS forum not you. Hope you could re-read my previous post.

Maybe it is my incorrect perception from the threads in this forum. May I ask you - do you like PMTS?

Anyway, positive or negative thinking, it's up to you

I do think PMS instructors are better in general but for a different reason. There is only a limited number of them so the quality variation is small and the standard is probably higer for the same reason.

PMS has many videos of excellent skiing. That can be misleading because the videos are done by a small number of accomplished skiers. I think it is difficult to achieve that level if you don't ski 50 days a year.

skier666 寫:I do think PMS instructors are better in general but for a different reason. There is only a limited number of them so the quality variation is small and the standard is probably higer for the same reason.

skier666 寫:PMS has many videos of excellent skiing. That can be misleading because the videos are done by a small number of accomplished skiers. I think it is difficult to achieve that level if you don't ski 50 days a year.

Good observation!

I mentioned in the previous post I like the PMTS materials and spent a lot of time to read it in the past few days. I have also found that the performance of the followers (in the Movement Analysis and Video) is huge difference from the founder. So, totally agree with your point. Perhaps, a skier may achieve the similar performance if he has an excellent talent and few years training.

skier666 寫:PMS has many videos of excellent skiing. That can be misleading because the videos are done by a small number of accomplished skiers. I think it is difficult to achieve that level if you don't ski 50 days a year.

相信任何學派都是希望學習時間短, 進步速度高, 但這東西很難證明, 個人覺得只有 before/after 又有特定目標的比較才有意思. 比方說一個 japan ski champion 去了 xxia 上 level 2 的課, 那他會進步很快, 因他的根基比 level 4 的可能還要深. 在 pmts 這裡就有一個普通人學生, 由 pmts 的 blue level 教練執教, 4天內的進步.

before: YouTube- Bob 3-18-10.avi


after day 4: YouTube- Day 4

from here: http://pmts.org/pmtsforum/viewtopic.php ... 8&start=90

如果 xxia 有相應的比較便大概可以知那一門派的學生進步比較快.

PSBoy 寫:I like the PMTS materials and spent a lot of time to read it in the past few days. I have also found that the performance of the followers (in the Movement Analysis and Video) is huge difference from the founder. So, totally agree with your point. Perhaps, a skier may achieve the similar performance if he has an excellent talent and few years training.

利害, 利害 ,
只得花數天的時間便能洞悉 pmts 的玄機, 可憐我學了這麼久還不是很明白他們在談什麼的. 日後在 pmts 方面還要請多多指教啊.

ams 寫:利害, 利害...只得花數天的時間便能洞悉 pmts 的玄機...

Thanks for your kind words but it's not possible. As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm reading the book, Essentials of Skiing. It gives me an idea of his approach and terminology. I would be very happy if you could share your experience and understanding of PMTS to me

PSBoy 寫:Thanks for your kind words but it's not possible. As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm reading the book, Essentials of Skiing. It gives me an idea of his approach and terminology. I would be very happy if you could share your experience and understanding of PMTS to me

說實在的, 我不是讀書材料, 也不是看教育片的人材(看一會兒便集中不了精神), 我到現在還未看完 tipping 的一課( rick 的後兩片買了也是未看過), 其他的課也是重點的看一下圖便滑出來問師傅怎麼改, 所以你能力高超的人再加上看完 essentials of skiing 之後有了大成一點不出奇, 只望日後多發表你對 pmts 的見解這對大家都是有益的.

ams 寫:...rick 的後兩片買了也是未看過...

Sorry, I don't know who is rick. Is another great coach?

PSBoy 寫:'a Green Level PMTS instructor can and should teach a level 6 or 7 PSIA student.'

Just for fun when I recalled that 大師 is classifed as a PSIA level 6. Even mistaken as level 9. Can Green Level PMTS instructor teach 大師？　Harald 也真太大蛋了．　:face (334):

norman ski 3 days in japan on 2010/02/25~27 on Yahoo! Video
[media]http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7064708/18381227[/media]

ams 寫:...Can Green Level PMTS instructor teach 大師？...

Thanks, ams. I like that video so much.

I'm sure it's not possible a Green level PMTS instructor could teach Norman because I don't believe the instructor's characteristics are stronger than Norman

To be honest, I have never seen a skier who has the passion like Norman. It's not that easy to write a series of practical and theoretical chapters for teaching I have to emphasize that all the materials are free of charge and also he provides this website for discussion with the learners. I would like to use this Chinese idiom - 無私的奉獻! Please let me know if you could find another skier to provide that level of ski materials and facilities for general public.

Of course, the instructor could show the PMTS techniques for Norman's evaluation but I'm sure Norman will help him to deeply know how amazing about 大成 Finally, I would like to say - 'Norman, 加油! I'm waiting for your new chapter '

PSBoy 寫:To be honest, I have never seen a skier who has the passion like Norman

very true! we can talk here because of 大師's hard work． if u aware, some people here like myself, norman and maybe other skiers are not welcome to talk about skiing in some other forum.