那一個是混合體?
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ams 寫:那一個是混合體?

用猜的是這個

ams 寫:
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其實我覺得這個只有不用杖這一點像 pivot slip. 其他的都是 tfr 的功夫, 我覺得我已經做不到 pivot slip. 當然練習後可能又能找回感覺.

哈哈 我是用標題猜的 我也不知道你的混合體是蝦米

skier666 寫:哈哈 我是用標題猜的 我也不知道你的混合體是蝦米

我剛出了私人信件請教 BB 大師, 不知他會不會答我. 我覺得就不會.

ams 寫:我剛出了私人信件請教 BB 大師, 不知他會不會答我. 我覺得就不會.

In contrast to the first one, I think the 3rd one has more braking than slipping but the upper body is more stable

skier666 寫:In contrast to the first one, I think the 3rd one has more braking than slipping but the upper body is more stable

是的, 這 pivot slip 的功力要求其實是很高, 第一片時我連續練了8天所以下身還算象 pivot slip. 但練 pmts 久了又會自然加了很多 edging. 當老是要扮 pivot slip 就變了 braking. 上身定應該是2年功力所賜.

btw, 這裡還包含了 trampoline turn 的自然 get forward. 所以才可以不用 pole 來 release.

簡單的說你是滑雪界的朱子

skier666 寫:簡單的說你是滑雪界的朱子

不是你之前說的四不象嗎 我們都是玩玩的, 只是閒來玩玩這個, 那個的. 結果也是會弄出個四不像. 在私人密件中我前師傅己叫我不要練其他門派以免混淆.

ams 寫:不是你之前說的四不象嗎 我們都是玩玩的, 只是閒來玩玩這個, 那個的. 結果也是會弄出個四不像. 在私人密件中我前師傅己叫我不要練其他門派以免混淆.

哈哈 ，那應是我在學（抄襲）大師説話 你不要在意歐

我不是教練也沒教過人滑雪所以我很少會對別人滑雪下意見 唯一的例外是對大師 因爲有時候他錯的太離譜

這討論串只是閒聊, 但你的看法已給了我很有用的啟示, 其他的當是說笑好了. 反正閒來沒事做.

那我們就繼續 我看 pivot slip的示範片看起來都不像彎 也許那是另外一個可以拿來區分的方法 你覺得呢

skier666 寫:我看 pivot slip的示範片看起來都不像彎 也許那是另外一個可以拿來區分的方法 你覺得呢

如果你是說這個的就應該不是彎, 我覺得他只是另一個練習平衡的方法. 還記得當時的要點是應該有極小的 edge 幫助轉彎, 主力還是靠 femur rotation 而 tfr 是 passive femur rotation 主力 tipping.

ams 寫:還記得當時的要點是應該有極小的 edge 幫助轉彎

Why do you need to turn at all?

skier666 寫:Why do you need to turn at all?

我也是正在想同一件事. 看來這方面進步了, 但是還是須要不小練習才可以完全消除 turning.
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I have always wanted to see you ski without pole. Now that curiosity has been satisfied. Do you see it is very different from your regular skiing?

skier666 寫:Do you see it is very different from your regular skiing?

I can see an upper body oriented rotation in starting the second pivot slip. That's what I mean by a lot more work. I'll work on purely femur rotation along with my work on dolphine turns. Is that what you see?

There is very small space and that may affect your practice.

Having conversation with you also helps me understand things more clearly.

skier666 寫:There is very small space and that may affect your practice.

yeah! that's my number 2 suspect too. As a matter of fact its very icy and the space is not quite long enough for 2 pivot slip turns, that might trigger upper body rotation. I ll try to ski without poles and see if I exhibit the same upper body rotation when skiing and compare it with another new vid on pivot slip.

skier666 寫:Having conversation with you also helps me understand things more clearly.

I think we all learn by sensible technical discussion. I believe u can agree that I already picking up progress in psia short turns and pivot slip. You guys participation in the technical discussions is very helpful.

[QUOTE=ams;6912]....................I'll work on purely femur .............................QUOTE]

I always keep working on it too .