From PKU: Technical skiing Competition is a big event in Japan and usually held at Hakuba, the Olympic site I don't know how much is the price but top skiers from Canadan entered the competiotion before. The top guys in the competition will get invited to film video and of course they can earn money from there too.
I'm a little skeptical about how much they make, especially from videos. I know it might be
different than America, but it would have to be a LOT different for it to be worthwhile. As I
said before, there aren't many opportunities for money in America for skiers unless your a
acrobat or stuntman. Even people who go to the olympics from here usually make zero. I
know because I have known guys who have gone (like Chuck Martin). Some olympic gold
medalists gain enough popularity to make money (like Lindsay Vonn), but that's it.
From PKU: I bought few video and they become my idols. The cost for skiing is there is around $200.00/day include hotel, breakfast and dinner in the hotel and lift tickets. Beef is expensive in Japan but Sushi is reasonable. I usually spent US$130.00per person per day in Tokyo ( include hotel, eating an transportation ) and $200.00 in the ski resort ( include hotel ski pass and eating )
That's kind of a lot. Where we're going in Nicaragua you can live like a king for 20 dollars a
day LOL : )
Quote From PKU: I bought few video and they become my idols.
I think I can understand your point of view better based on this statement... you have a
favorite style, and there is nothing wrong with that at all.
I was thinking about it today... when I ski in my style I have such high standards that it is
impossible to ski perfectly, basically no matter what, in my mind. I suppose it's entirely
possible that another person could have just as high of standards in the technical/japanese
style so that perfect skiing would also be impossible according to their standards in that
style. From that point of view, either style is more than difficult enough.
I really like how Japanese skiers (and also european skiers) pay a lot of attention to turning
skill in skiing. In America the only thing anyone seems to care about anymore are big aerials.
Blake 寫:Quote From PKU: I bought few video and they become my idols.
I think I can understand your point of view better based on this statement... you have a favorite style, and there is nothing wrong with that at all.
I was thinking about it today... when I ski in my style I have such high standards that it is
impossible to ski perfectly, basically no matter what, in my mind. I suppose it's entirely
possible that another person could have just as high of standards in the technical/japanese
style so that perfect skiing would also be impossible according to their standards in that
style. From that point of view, either style is more than difficult enough.
I really like how Japanese skiers (and also european skiers) pay a lot of attention to turning
skill in skiing. In America the only thing anyone seems to care about anymore are big aerials.
I absolutely agree with you.
Although I personally like the technical style，your big mountain skiing is also amazing to watch.
Are you using moguls skis or regular shape skis on moguls.
Blake 寫:From PKU: Technical skiing Competition is a big event in Japan and usually
held at Hakuba, the Olympic site I don't know how much is the price but top skiers from
Canadan entered the competiotion before. The top guys in the competition will get invited
to film video and of course they can earn money from there too.
I'm a little skeptical about how much they make, especially from videos. I know it might be
different than America, but it would have to be a LOT different for it to be worthwhile. As I
said before, there aren't many opportunities for money in America for skiers unless your a
acrobat or stuntman. Even people who go to the olympics from here usually make zero. I
know because I have known guys who have gone (like Chuck Martin). Some olympic gold
medalists gain enough popularity to make money (like Lindsay Vonn), but that's it.
From PKU: I bought few video and they become my idols. The cost for skiing
is there is around $200.00/day include hotel, breakfast and dinner in the hotel and lift
tickets. Beef is expensive in Japan but Sushi is reasonable. I usually spent US$130.00per
person per day in Tokyo ( include hotel, eating an transportation ) and $200.00 in the ski
resort ( include hotel ski pass and eating )
That's kind of a lot. Where we're going in Nicaragua you can live like a king for 20 dollars a
day LOL : )
They should make a bit more than the demo team member in Canada. The top technical guys will be the demo team member of Japan. At least they can make money from selling their video while nobody will buy skiing video from the demo team member in Canada.
From PKU: Are you using moguls skis or regular shape skis on moguls.
I'm using moguls skis. With such differently shaped skis nowadays I figure it makes sense
to switch between skis in the same way that people switch golf clubs between different
shots.
From PKU: I think it's also expensive skiing in Colorado.
It is, but with so many competing resorts there is a huge difference between the price of a
day ticket and the price of a season pass. Most resorts have day tickets for 80-100 dollars
a day, but some of those same resorts have season passes available for under 400. We
usually get a winter park pass for 400 or so and an arapahoe basin pass for 360 or so. The
prices fluctuate at different times of the year.
Quote from PKU: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the
moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .
Quote from PKU: I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't
make it clear enough.
I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some
of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you
and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis.
They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines
The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current
and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the
Interski events) of Japan and Austria.
I don't think I misunderstood your question, but I guess I made my answer more
complicated than it had to be. I was talking about things related to your question,
even if it wasn't a direct answer (the shape of your turns relate to your line).
Anyway, sorry about that, let me try it again...
It is NOT more difficult to make rounder turns with more edging in the moguls. I
can ski with both styles in the moguls, so I am answering with experience. I have
thought about making a video of like ten different mogul styles just to try to make
a point about this kind of thing, but I haven't made it yet because I think it'd be a
little silly to make an entire video of different styles just to prove a point for this
online argument (I have encountered this argument online many times before). The round
turns shown in the video that you posted are in my opinion how an intermediate
mogul skier would ski moguls. The PSIA (and other people) like to call this "technical
skiing" to make it sound cool, but really it's just because they can't ski any better
than that. That style is easier than skiing well in my style. If I switched to skiing
that style, skiing would become WAY easier for me. I would never have to put any
thought or effort into my skiing ever again.
On a related note though, for some skiers it might be eaiser to ski badly in my style
than to ski well in the "technical" style... Assuming a skier is working on skiing well
in both styles, my style is harder to ski well in. I know because I have experience
with both. The so called "technical" style is way easier. I ski with that style
sometimes when there are a lot of rocks in the moguls that I want to avoid or
something.
Guess you guys' arguments get lost in the terminology; I thought the "straight line"/zipperline skiing down the moguls is the "technical [mogul] skiing," as it is the fastest way to ski down a mogul hill/slope.
Round-turn/"rounded turns" is a cheating technique, where it uses elongated ski paths to substitute the inadequate absorptions, thus less tiring, when comparing to the "strictly" absorbing technique of zipperline technique; as it requires less precise [body] movements and timing and longer path to maneuver around a mogul, it is easier but slower way/technique to ski moguls; People like to watch the exciting and straight-forward of zipperline mogul skiing.
TaiChiSkiing, I really enjoy your videos. My wife and I
do standing meditation (qigong postures) pretty much daily. By the way, I broke my
pelvis too once 16 years ago. It was no fun.
Thanks for the reply, and thanks for "enjoy" my videos. Glad that you're into the meditation too; TaichiQuan is said to be a "moving meditation," so is Taichi Skiing. Technically, I do "line-skiing," and the "line" I've followed usually reflects the "rhythms," "tempos," and "strengths," etc. of gravity, Taichi Skiing is "pushing hands"/"pushing feet" with oldman gravity.
On the other thread, there was a question about "how to" pull up your feet (involving
muscle groups etc)... I think it is good to not over-analyze in skiing. You just have to
know what a movement should look like and try to do it without thinking about it. I
think that that way usually gets better results than analyzing movements in depth.
It's like what they say in Star Wars: "Don't think... Feel".
You're sounded like in the knows; "push feet," Taichi Skiing skis the gravity by feeling, is the ultimate way of skiing. By "feeling the gravity," you turn skiing as "external" sport into an "internal" meditation. The "lines" you follow shows the "balance" of yourself, whom you know—Yang—and the gravity, which you don't really know—Yin—in "the balanced Yin and Yang," you are Taichi Skiing, doesn't matter what "style" you are in, and this guy doesn't even know Taichi,
I have described that motion of body movement in "zipperline" mogul skiing as "move like a caterpillar," where the feet move in unison but independently, and the body "bend"—Yin—and "extend"—Yang—like a caterpillar, and that's the most efficient way to move the "whole" body, imo.
I also have not missed the questions about how close Norman is to skiing like me, or
how long it should take him or whatever... I don't want to get dragged into an
argument (which is why I didn't answer these questions).... I like Norman : ) ....
Well, the argument here with Norman is that he is hiding behind your words by twisting them into his favors to brag about his skills and knowledge, so only you can straighten up his misconception of your words; if his argument is not an act, he is a fool. I was saying one needs to use his/her front thigh muscles to "pull up your feet," and he said that one doesn't need to use the thigh muscles [but only abdomen muscles] to do that; he'll never admit that he has lost the arguments.
But I will say this:It took me 28 years of skiing to get me to the level I am at in skiing.
If someone else can do it faster, that is great. I can't say how long it would take
someone else. Everyone is different. If anyone wants to try to ski like me with less
practice than me, I say let them try. I think that having access to different types of
terrain would be really important though. I moved to a different state 13 years ago
so that I could ski better terrain.
No arguments there. The problems/arguments here in the forum, or among the skiing forums, are between two groups: academic, those who trained with a skiing system, as mostly ski instructors kind (PKU, and beg, to name a few), and non-academic, those who ski by experiencing, or "doing it," self-taught (ex., you and me), and in my books, skiing is a "doing" thing, who can say but cannot do only has a "book" knowledge, like XSIA certifications, once into "doing" part, "I believe it when I see it." Norman has said that he can ski like you in about 8 days practice, (have no idea where I got that number, correct me if I'm wrong, Norman); my argument was he didn't know what he was talking about. Your "It took me 28 years of skiing to get me to the level I am at in skiing" comment provides plenty testimony against him already. He is living too small a "skiing world."
A few years ago I heard about a ski resort that was being built in Western China called
PingTian. What ever happened with that? Did it ever open? I heard it was supposed
to be really cool.
Have no idea; I've figured that in Chinese population distribution (very heavy on the eastern coasts,) a "Western China" ski resort would not probably "blossom" that well/easily.
Here are answers to a couple other questions that were asked...
My mogul style is pretty tiring. I like putting in the extra effort, but I am usually
really out of breath after 20 or 30 turns or something. There are other styles that
are a lot less tiring. The "technical style" discussed above is less tiring. Absorbing
less deep or bouncing accross the tops of moguls like some of the world cup skiers
often do would also be a lot less tiring.
I usually view jumping onto a mogul as a failure of absorption. I pretty much never jump
onto one, but when I do, it would be for some crazy mogul that's as tall as my stomach is
high or something.
Yes, you have an excellent mogul skiing style, clean, efficient, and dynamic, that's why so exciting to watch, but yes, it's also why it is so tiring too. I "line-skiing" the "equal gradient line" through the moguls, which I've called "surfing the gravity waves," so I don't usually hit the crests or the troughs, I think that probably the least tiring way to ski down the moguls, ski the path of the least resistant path.
I thought I would mention that I re-edited my 2012 video. That means that previous links to it will not work. I edited the first post of this thread with the new link
though. Here is the link to the new edit. I just lengthened some shots and replaced some shots...
I wrote an article on one thing that we talked about on this thread (hacky sacking and skiing) if anyone is interested. I go into a lot more explanation in the article.
I can't legally copy and paste it to any other forums apparently because epic owns the rights to it, so the best I can do is post a link.
Blake 寫:I wrote an article on one thing that we talked about on this thread (hacky sacking
and skiing) if anyone is interested. I go into a lot more explanation in the article.
I can't legally copy and paste it to any other forums apparently because epic owns the
rights to it, so the best I can do is post a link.
) muldach - Richard Berger - YouTube
