pivot slip, tfr 和混合體

[ams]

那一個是混合體?
YouTube- pivot slip

YouTube- tfr

YouTube- what is it

[skier666]

那一個是混合體?

用猜的是這個

YouTube- what is it

[ams]

其實我覺得這個只有不用杖這一點像 pivot slip. 其他的都是 tfr 的功夫, 我覺得我已經做不到 pivot slip. 當然練習後可能又能找回感覺.

[skier666]

哈哈 我是用標題猜的 我也不知道你的混合體是蝦米

[ams]

哈哈 我是用標題猜的 我也不知道你的混合體是蝦米

我剛出了私人信件請教 BB 大師, 不知他會不會答我. 我覺得就不會.

[skier666]

我剛出了私人信件請教 BB 大師, 不知他會不會答我. 我覺得就不會.

In contrast to the first one, I think the 3rd one has more braking than slipping but the upper body is more stable

[ams]

In contrast to the first one, I think the 3rd one has more braking than slipping but the upper body is more stable

是的, 這 pivot slip 的功力要求其實是很高, 第一片時我連續練了8天所以下身還算象 pivot slip. 但練 pmts 久了又會自然加了很多 edging. 當老是要扮 pivot slip 就變了 braking. 上身定應該是2年功力所賜.

btw, 這裡還包含了 trampoline turn 的自然 get forward. 所以才可以不用 pole 來 release.

[skier666]

簡單的說你是滑雪界的朱子

[ams]

簡單的說你是滑雪界的朱子

不是你之前說的四不象嗎 我們都是玩玩的, 只是閒來玩玩這個, 那個的. 結果也是會弄出個四不像. 在私人密件中我前師傅己叫我不要練其他門派以免混淆.

[skier666]

不是你之前說的四不象嗎 我們都是玩玩的, 只是閒來玩玩這個, 那個的. 結果也是會弄出個四不像. 在私人密件中我前師傅己叫我不要練其他門派以免混淆.

哈哈 ，那應是我在學（抄襲）大師説話 你不要在意歐

我不是教練也沒教過人滑雪所以我很少會對別人滑雪下意見 唯一的例外是對大師 因爲有時候他錯的太離譜

[ams]

這討論串只是閒聊, 但你的看法已給了我很有用的啟示, 其他的當是說笑好了. 反正閒來沒事做.

[skier666]

那我們就繼續 我看 pivot slip的示範片看起來都不像彎 也許那是另外一個可以拿來區分的方法 你覺得呢

[ams]

我看 pivot slip的示範片看起來都不像彎 也許那是另外一個可以拿來區分的方法 你覺得呢

如果你是說這個的就應該不是彎, 我覺得他只是另一個練習平衡的方法. 還記得當時的要點是應該有極小的 edge 幫助轉彎, 主力還是靠 femur rotation 而 tfr 是 passive femur rotation 主力 tipping.

[skier666]

還記得當時的要點是應該有極小的 edge 幫助轉彎

Why do you need to turn at all?

[ams]

Why do you need to turn at all?

我也是正在想同一件事. 看來這方面進步了, 但是還是須要不小練習才可以完全消除 turning.
YouTube- pivot slip 2

[skier666]

I have always wanted to see you ski without pole. Now that curiosity has been satisfied. Do you see it is very different from your regular skiing?

[ams]

Do you see it is very different from your regular skiing?

I can see an upper body oriented rotation in starting the second pivot slip. That's what I mean by a lot more work. I'll work on purely femur rotation along with my work on dolphine turns. Is that what you see?

[skier666]

There is very small space and that may affect your practice.

Having conversation with you also helps me understand things more clearly.

[ams]

There is very small space and that may affect your practice.

yeah! that's my number 2 suspect too. As a matter of fact its very icy and the space is not quite long enough for 2 pivot slip turns, that might trigger upper body rotation. I ll try to ski without poles and see if I exhibit the same upper body rotation when skiing and compare it with another new vid on pivot slip.

Having conversation with you also helps me understand things more clearly.

I think we all learn by sensible technical discussion. I believe u can agree that I already picking up progress in psia short turns and pivot slip. You guys participation in the technical discussions is very helpful.

[Vicente]

[QUOTE=ams;6912]....................I'll work on purely femur .............................QUOTE]

I always keep working on it too .