pivot slip update & no pole skiing

[ams]

skier666, want to tell what u r seeing? especially any correlation? this exercise is for our discussion.
YouTube- ‪no pole trampoline‬‎



YouTube- ‪pivot slip 3‬‎

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YouTube- ‪pivot slip 2‬‎

[ams]

找到了教材.
TCEOS V Pivot Slip on Vimeo

[skier666]

I usually see your turns somewhat rushed but not the case when without poles. It will be better skiing if you can ski with poles with and quiet upper body like this. Have you tried the home base drill? I think it will give you a reference point of correct upper body position.

[skier666]

Your pivot slip improves a little but you still cheat by lifting your foot. Right now you pivot and slip at the same time. Maybe you can try pivot after you start slipping?

[skier666]

BTW, I have never done pivot slip so you need to take that into consideration

[ams]

Your pivot slip improves a little but you still cheat by lifting your foot. Right now you pivot and slip at the same time.

Thanks for the comments in general. After some practice I have more understanding of pivot slip. If you never try it before I ll say it definitely worth to practice this drill. I notice that my PS is somewhat different from the original PS in that I start from stationary, which present another technical problems. So in my drill the first turn is an release without poles and the second turn is a real pivot slip. which turn or both turns do you see me lifted off my foot? Currently I don't see a lot of difference between tfr and the first turn in my video so an O frame is probably inevitable, but in the second turn it should not happen.

Maybe you can try pivot after you start slipping?

In my first turn I was doing that. But in the second turns the slope is really not long enough to allow me to wait for the slipping upto falline. Maybe when my first turns improve more I can save some space for the second turn

[ams]

影片中的文字:

-side slips linked by 180 degree pivots
-legs rotate in hip sockets .. beneath stable pelvis & upper body
-no upper-body-based rotary movements (no Rotation, Counter-rotation, or Blocking Pole Plant)
-LEAD CHANGE results from independent leg rotation
-slip is continuous
-No edge sets
-slip fast---pivot slow

-Pivot Slips develop the "release & guide" initiation of offensive turns, vs the "edge set-pushoff" initition of defensive turns

[ams]

Have you tried the home base drill?

Heard of it, but never seen anything on video. Got any?

[skier666]

Heard of it, but never seen anything on video. Got any?

ACES2 p119. This maybe personal style preference. I would be pretty happy to ski like you when you keep the upper body quiet like this.

[skier666]

Thanks for the comments in general. After some practice I have more understanding of pivot slip. If you never try it before I ll say it definitely worth to practice this drill. I notice that my PS is somewhat different from the original PS in that I start from stationary, which present another technical problems. So in my drill the first turn is an release without poles and the second turn is a real pivot slip. which turn or both turns do you see me lifted off my foot? Currently I don't see a lot of difference between tfr and the first turn in my video so an O frame is probably inevitable, but in the second turn it should not happen.
In my first turn I was doing that. But in the second turns the slope is really not long enough to allow me to wait for the slipping upto falline. Maybe when my first turns improve more I can save some space for the second turn

I'll try it next time I ski. I am mainly going to try buttering using the same principle.

I think the the limited space really hinder your practice. I want you to see how much the skier skips before he stats pivoting in the demonstration. It says 'slip fast---pivot slow'. It is hard to do with limited space.

[skier666]

I am referring to 04 sec. Is that o frame you talk about?

[ams]

ACES2 p119. This maybe personal style preference. I would be pretty happy to ski like you when you keep the upper body quiet like this.

I ll check this out when I get home.

[ams]

I am mainly going to try buttering using the same principle.

what is it? what is it for?

I think the the limited space really hinder your practice. I want you to see how much the skier skips before he stats pivoting in the demonstration. It says 'slip fast---pivot slow'. It is hard to do with limited space.

yeah! I notice the skidding before the pivoting. Actually that's what I ll do in real mountain when there are more space. This vid was shown to 大師 BB before and he offered a very good comment that its considered a real PS. Notice that here in this vid I did skid before pivot, however there are still edgings that's hard to eliminate. I guess it takes a lot more practice to eliminate as its fearful to skid without edging.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFKElyQEhBc

[ams]

I am referring to 04 sec. Is that o frame you talk about?

exactly! 很明顯我是中了 pmts 的毒, 0-frame 是 pmts 的中心技術表現, 在這裡有實際應用時的解釋. 但我也是希望能做到不用有明顯的 0-frame 也能從靜止狀態(不先做 skidding)做出 pivot slip.

http://pmts.org/pmtsforum/viewtopic.php ... ame#p29529

以下是 pmts 的超級高徒 jbotti 的談話. 可信性應該很高.

What you can't tell from the video is that on that last section where Harald is creating O frames (holding the LTE as he tips onto the new LTE) is that I was following him and attempting to do the same thing. I don't think that there is a better exercise for any skier to practice. Notice how far he tips and what a huge O frame he develops in each turn.

[skier666]

exactly! 很明顯我是中了 pmts 的毒, 0-frame 是 pmts 的中心技術表現, 在這裡有實際應用時的解釋. 但我也是希望能做到不用有明顯的 0-frame 也能從靜止狀態(不先做 skidding)做出 pivot slip.

http://pmts.org/pmtsforum/viewtopic.php ... ame#p29529

以下是 pmts 的超級高徒 jbotti 的談話. 可信性應該很高.

Doesn't the video break the myth about the relationship between centrifugal/centripetal forces and speed being talked so much here

[skier666]

what is it? what is it for?

kind of like pivot slip 360 degree. it is not the same but fun to do

[ams]

Doesn't the video break the myth about the relationship between centrifugal/centripetal forces and speed being talked so much here

我不是太明白你的話, 可以說明白點嗎?

[skier666]

Those are things norm likes to talk about

[ams]

Those are things norm likes to talk about

那我們等大師說好了.

[skier666]

那我們等大師說好了.

don't you think he actually talks a lot of pms stuff