PSIA Level 4

[taichiskiing]

"So, while the names have changed periodically, that's the way it's worked in PSIA-RM for quite some time. TA--now RMT--is a "level," DCL--now E1 (Examiner 1)--is a job on the Education Staff. (Unlike the old DCL, E1's actually do conduct our Cert. 1 exams, so we felt the need to change the name.) And many instructors still refer to TA as "Level 4"--because that's exactly what it is.

And the TA/RMT/Level 4 standard does indeed represent a significant jump beyond Level 3. The pass rate is typically 10-15% and, of course, you must be Level 3 to apply.

Especially with our apparent obsession with naming and renaming with obscure acronyms, I wouldn't mind at all if we just called the spade a spade and went with simply, "Level 4."

Best regards,
Bob"

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/103 ... st_1339884

For you 有心人, the thread "Top Certs" makes a good read, for now.

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/103677/top-certs

:)
IS

[snowrider]

"So, while the names have changed periodically, that's the way it's worked in PSIA-RM for quite some time. TA--now RMT--is a "level," DCL--now E1 (Examiner 1)--is a job on the Education Staff. (Unlike the old DCL, E1's actually do conduct our Cert. 1 exams, so we felt the need to change the name.) And many instructors still refer to TA as "Level 4"--because that's exactly what it is.

And the TA/RMT/Level 4 standard does indeed represent a significant jump beyond Level 3. The pass rate is typically 10-15% and, of course, you must be Level 3 to apply.

Especially with our apparent obsession with naming and renaming with obscure acronyms, I wouldn't mind at all if we just called the spade a spade and went with simply, "Level 4."

Best regards,
Bob"

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/103 ... st_1339884

For you 有心人, the thread "Top Certs" makes a good read, for now.

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/103677/top-certs

:)
IS

Thanks for the links. They are informative.

However, it's still not conclusive about the level. My ski school has 1 examiner and 2 DCL(s). It seems that they should be stronger than other L3 in the ski school. The actual strongest/best skier is a different person (luckily that I have been under his mentoring) who has helped them reach their DCL status. I asked him, "you are the best skier here, why don't you pursue to become an examiner?" He told me that it required a lot of travels and commitment, and he wanted to spend more time with his 5-year-old and a 7-year-old.

In conclusion, certification level is just a general category of an instructor's ability, while some stronger skiers (e.g., pku) do not even care getting higher level certification when their actual levels have far exceeded their certification.

[lelo]

(代 norman 貼回覆)

"So, while the names have changed periodically, that's the way it's worked in PSIA-RM for quite some time. TA--now RMT--is a "level," DCL--now E1 (Examiner 1)--is a job on the Education Staff. (Unlike the old DCL, E1's actually do conduct our Cert. 1 exams, so we felt the need to change the name.) And many instructors still refer to TA as "Level 4"--because that's exactly what it is.

And the TA/RMT/Level 4 standard does indeed represent a significant jump beyond Level 3. The pass rate is typically 10-15% and, of course, you must be Level 3 to apply.

Especially with our apparent obsession with naming and renaming with obscure acronyms, I wouldn't mind at all if we just called the spade a spade and went with simply, "Level 4."

Best regards,
Bob"

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/103 ... st_1339884

For you 有心人, the thread "Top Certs" makes a good read, for now.

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/103677/top-certs

:)
IS

這以前我也提過。

專門教CSIA L4或是PSIA L3的教練，他算是哪一級？

專門研究/創造技術及開發更好更有效技術的教練等級是哪一級？

除了用「TOP/頂瑞」我還真想不出這類高手比所謂的CSIA L4或是PSIA L3更高級算是哪一級呢。

[taichiskiing]

Thanks for the links. They are informative.

However, it's still not conclusive about the level. My ski school has 1 examiner and 2 DCL(s). It seems that they should be stronger than other L3 in the ski school. The actual strongest/best skier is a different person (luckily that I have been under his mentoring) who has helped them reach their DCL status. I asked him, "you are the best skier here, why don't you pursue to become an examiner?" He told me that it required a lot of travels and commitment, and he wanted to spend more time with his 5-year-old and a 7-year-old.

The "strongest/best" skier may make sense in your school, but it doesn't make sense in general skiing population; given conflicted requirements in all different kind of skiing, there's no such thing as "strongest/best" skier. And I've also stated the coaches' function is to "coach," not "skiing." Those who overlook students original techniques and abilities, but giving the whole different set of instructions, and etc., only to show off how good their skiing is, (like what pku showed on this forum,) make the worst coaches.

In conclusion, certification level is just a general category of an instructor's ability, while some stronger skiers (e.g., pku) do not even care getting higher level certification when their actual levels have far exceeded their certification.

Not how I see it. Given how them Whistler Group shameless bashing me coaching without certification, they are not just "care" heavily on certification, they're stuck on it. Pku has CSIA L2 and CSCF L1, which are pre-requist for CSIA L3, but he cannot pass L3 exams, so he is not "far exceeded" in his certification; actually, he stuck like terminal L2.

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IS

[taichiskiing]

(代 norman 貼回覆)

這以前我也提過。

專門教CSIA L4或是PSIA L3的教練，他算是哪一級？

專門研究/創造技術及開發更好更有效技術的教練等級是哪一級？

除了用「TOP/頂瑞」我還真想不出這類高手比所謂的CSIA L4或是PSIA L3更高級算是哪一級呢。

根劇 epicski Bob Barnes 的解釋，以中文來說 PSIA 跟 CSIA 教練的程度/分法「大同小異」—一對一、二對二、三對三—只是 CSIA 有L4而 PSIA 用不一樣的頭銜像 "Trainer Accreditation," "Development Team," "Apprentice Examiner," 等等，名稱不定，所以“簡稱”之 L4 可亦，而實值上也跟 CSIA 的 L4 的程度差不多‧而我也同意他的說法。

"I do not think that anyone would try to compare CSIA Level 4 with PSIA Level 3. Although the standards are not identical, the levels for PSIA and CSIA Levels 1, 2, and 3 are very similar. Beyond that, CSIA has "Level 4," while PSIA has what is variously referred to as "Trainer Accreditation," "Development Team," "Apprentice Examiner," or the like, depending on the division. (PSIA consists of a number of regional divisions that are each somewhat autonomous, while all under the wing of PSIA-National.)

At least in PSIA, Level 3 is what is referred to as "Full Certification," essentially meaning that it represents a level of skiing proficiency, knowledge, understanding, experience, and teaching ability sufficient to teach pretty much anyone, in pretty much any condition and terrain (all but the very most extreme, in my opinion). I believe CSIA Level 3 is similar. Although many instructors informally refer to our "Trainer Accreditation" (now known as "Rocky Mountain Trainer") as Level 4, it is not officially called that, because the intent is that the job of a "Level 4 instructor" begins to shift more toward training of instructors and perhaps eventually to becoming an Examiner, rather than teaching the public. Not all instructors aspire to become trainers, for any number of reasons, so we have kept the designation of Full Certified Instructor for Level 3.

I may be mistaken, but I believe that CSIA's Level 4 is similar, in that most Level 4's do serve as trainers, and Examiners are selected from the Level 4 pool."—Bob Barnes—

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/103 ... st_1339791


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IS

[pku]

The "strongest/best" skier may make sense in your school, but it doesn't make sense in general skiing population; given conflicted requirements in all different kind of skiing, there's no such thing as "strongest/best" skier. And I've also stated the coaches' function is to "coach," not "skiing." Those who overlook students original techniques and abilities, but giving the whole different set of instructions, and etc., only to show off how good their skiing is, (like what pku showed on this forum,) make the worst coaches.



Not how I see it. Given how them Whistler Group shameless bashing me coaching without certification, they are not just "care" heavily on certification, they're stuck on it. Pku has CSIA L2 and CSCF L1, which are pre-requist for CSIA L3, but he cannot pass L3 exams, so he is not "far exceeded" in his certification; actually, he stuck like terminal L2.

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IS

It's you the one always show off your skiing but always get negative comments.

You need to show the skiing of those you coach to show you are a good coach, but never saw a coach in skiing without poles all the times in free skiing

The most important pre-requite of CSIA L-3 is to take the CSIA L3 Course before anyone can take the exam and I never did the course. Taking those L2 an L1 course is the time I try to retire 10 years ago but need to work again since not enough money to spend. Skiing is is a sport to gather with friends and blow water for fun now.

You'll know how bad I ski next Feb on Heavenly. Just don't hide when we are there

[taichiskiing]

It's you the one always show off your skiing but always get negative comments.

Only from the gappers like you, and more learned skiers are now treating Taichi Skiing as 「敬鬼神而遠之」. Don't believe me? Try to throw one of my video clips into epicski for MA, see how many "learned skiers" would touch or comment on it.

You need to show the skiing of those you coach to show you are a good coach, but never saw a coach in skiing without poles all the times in free skiing

A closed-minded little knowledge 小見多怪, and we did see some of the skiers you've coached, their performances are only mediocre, even by your CSIA standards.

The most important pre-requite of CSIA L-3 is to take the CSIA L3 Course before anyone can take the exam and I never did the course. Taking those L2 an L1 course is the time I try to retire 10 years ago but need to work again since not enough money to spend. Skiing is is a sport to gather with friends and blow water for fun now.

I think by the time you reach L2, you have, at least should have, learned all skiing techniques taught in the system; nevertheless, the different between L3 and L2 would be L3's mastery of all aspects of "the system's" skiing and L2's merely know how. And of course, beyond the L4, there's also "double diamond class." And most highend skiers still pursue their "perfect skiing." So, yes, the Top Cert is not the end of highend skiing pursuit neither, and that's what I call "fun."

You'll know how bad I ski next Feb on Heavenly. Just don't hide when we are there

Well, we'll see, and I like 假戲真作, so, be ready for off-piste skiing, you'll get dumped on.

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IS

[pku]

Only from the gappers like you, and more learned skiers are now treating Taichi Skiing as 「敬鬼神而遠之」. Don't believe me? Try to throw one of my video clips into epicski for MA, see how many "learned skiers" would touch or comment on it.



A closed-minded little knowledge 小見多怪, and we did see some of the skiers you've coached, their performances are only mediocre, even by your CSIA standards.



I think by the time you reach L2, you have, at least should have, learned all skiing techniques taught in the system; nevertheless, the different between L3 and L2 would be L3's mastery of all aspects of "the system's" skiing and L2's merely know how. And of course, beyond the L4, there's also "double diamond class." And most highend skiers still pursue their "perfect skiing." So, yes, the Top Cert is not the end of highend skiing pursuit neither, and that's what I call "fun."



Well, we'll see, and I like 假戲真作, so, be ready for off-piste skiing, you'll get dumped on.

:)
IS

You've threw your video there long ago but all are negative comment and people didn't want to waste thier time with you.

I am a low level instructor so you can't expect much from me.

You boost how good you are as a coach so I would like to see the evidence.

Your skiing is never high end, see how you keep tranversing on the steeper slope is far from being highend

As long as you don't hide when we are there, I'll follow you and see your cattrack highend skiing, but I can't follow somebody skiing slower than me so don't tranverse.

[taichiskiing]

You've threw your video there long ago but all are negative comment and people didn't want to waste thier time with you.

Yup, "all negative comments from the gappers like you," when Bob Barnes praised my skiing, you gappers turned into shameless denials. Them, as well as you, are so much active on the forum, don't tell us your don't want to waste your time, or you are too dumb to notice?

"Fight, flight, avoidance, and run away."—dog psychiatry 101, Cesar Millan—

I am a low level instructor so you can't expect much from me.

At least, you can match up to your current level?

You boost how good you are as a coach so I would like to see the evidence.

What's the point? You might as well deny it, the same way you deny my skiing.

Your skiing is never high end, see how you keep tranversing on the steeper slope is far from being highend

That depends on what you mean by "highend"; my "highend" has a definition, "ride the gravity," and your "never high end" is only you denial.

As long as you don't hide when we are there, I'll follow you and see your cattrack highend skiing, but I can't follow somebody skiing slower than me so don't tranverse.

I'm only afraid that you don't show up; no worry about about the cattrack, I'll be glad to dump your sorry ass in the trees.

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IS

[pku]

Yup, "all negative comments from the gappers like you," when Bob Barnes praised my skiing, you gappers turned into shameless denials. Them, as well as you, are so much active on the forum, don't tell us your don't want to waste your time, or you are too dumb to notice?

"Fight, flight, avoidance, and run away."—dog psychiatry 101, Cesar Millan—



At least, you can match up to your current level?



What's the point? You might as well deny it, the same way you deny my skiing.



That depends on what you mean by "highend"; my "highend" has a definition, "ride the gravity," and your "never high end" is only you denial.



I'm only afraid that you don't show up; no worry about about the cattrack, I'll be glad to dump your sorry ass in the trees.

:)
IS

Bob Barnes is just like what we learn to comfort our clients, give some positive comment first then add the truth at the end. He said your skiing is good for a self learn skier who can ski down the hill

You can only ride the gravity on the cattrack

As long as you don't dig a hole to hide yourself when we come, I'll ski the wide open tree runs you skis but it's really hard to dump my ass to the trees since the trees are so wide open unless I want to pee and accident happen

[skier888]

Yup, "all negative comments from the gappers like you," when Bob Barnes praised my skiing, you gappers turned into shameless denials. Them, as well as you, are so much active on the forum, don't tell us your don't want to waste your time, or you are too dumb to notice?

"Fight, flight, avoidance, and run away."—dog psychiatry 101, Cesar Millan—



At least, you can match up to your current level?



What's the point? You might as well deny it, the same way you deny my skiing.



That depends on what you mean by "highend"; my "highend" has a definition, "ride the gravity," and your "never high end" is only you denial.



I'm only afraid that you don't show up; no worry about about the cattrack, I'll be glad to dump your sorry ass in the trees.

:)
IS

tdk praised norman's skiing also. Lets not forget the praise is qualified under "advanced beginner".

BB makes a fair statement. BB is very careful about what he said. He never said you are an expert. He did say expert should be able to ski like you without problem but just to ski like you does not qualified as expert. He praise your groom runs while I am not sure he will say the same thing about your run, say from wall to eagle bowl.

You should really listen to other things BB said in that thread if you like BB said about you and you think he is a true master. I said it more than one times. Your skiing is fine but let other praise it. Why do you persistently force your own feeling on others. That is what put off people. In the end, you expose so many short comings of your knowledge and your personality. Is that good for you?

[taichiskiing]

Bob Barnes is just like what we learn to comfort our clients, give some positive comment first then add the truth at the end. He said your skiing is good for a self learn skier who can ski down the hill

Yup, given his audients were them bears and you gappers, he was trying to be polite; nevertheless, "when Bob Barnes praised my skiing, you gappers turned into shameless denials." No, we don't need you to "re-interpret" what BB said; it is only your perpetuated denial. Nevertheless, ever heard that he praises either CSIA or your skiing? Where do you think your skiing stands in this issue?

You can only ride the gravity on the cattrack

Save your shameless denials, they are no longer fresh.

As long as you don't dig a hole to hide yourself when we come, I'll ski the wide open tree runs you skis but it's really hard to dump my ass to the trees since the trees are so wide open unless I want to pee and accident happen

The higher you boast, the harder you fall; we shall see.

:)
IS

[taichiskiing]

tdk praised norman's skiing also. Lets not forget the praise is qualified under "advanced beginner".

TDK himself is regarded as a "gaper" in epicski, what makes you think his praise even valid? Nevertheless, he did say this,

"Jackwan, what Sidecut said. But I admire you having the gutts to ski in conditions like that, filming it and posting it here." You must be proud of yourself.

BB makes a fair statement. BB is very careful about what he said. He never said you are an expert. He did say expert should be able to ski like you without problem but just to ski like you does not qualified as expert. He praise your groom runs while I am not sure he will say the same thing about your run, say from wall to eagle bowl.

"Yup, given his audients were them bears and you gappers, he was trying to be polite; nevertheless, "when Bob Barnes praised my skiing, you gappers turned into shameless denials." No, we don't need you to "re-interpret" what BB said; it is only your perpetuated denial."

You should really listen to other things BB said in that thread if you like BB said about you and you think he is a true master. I said it more than one times. Your skiing is fine but let other praise it. Why do you persistently force your own feeling on others. That is what put off people. In the end, you expose so many short comings of your knowledge and your personality. Is that good for you?

No, I don't force my feeling on others, as usual, you do, but you can't, so you invented all sorts of reasons to put down others to elevate your mutated ego. And true knowledge of skiing is not about being praised, but how well you balance G-forces, when you can do it well, you are a good skier, if not, not, is that a big deal? If you cannot match up but think that is a big deal, yes, you've put down/put off yourself. (Really, who cares?) It is good for me if I don't have to deal with gappers like you gapers.

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IS

[skier888]

TDK himself is regarded as a "gaper" in epicski, what makes you think his praise even valid? Nevertheless, he did say this,

"Jackwan, what Sidecut said. But I admire you having the gutts to ski in conditions like that, filming it and posting it here." You must be proud of yourself.

Assume I am the said person, that video was taken many years ago. The fact is that you did not dare to show up at Squaw. You run away from all challenges

[skier888]

TDK himself is regarded as a "gaper" in epicski, what makes you think his praise even valid? Nevertheless, he did say this,

"Jackwan, what Sidecut said. But I admire you having the gutts to ski in conditions like that, filming it and posting it here." You must be proud of yourself.



"Yup, given his audients were them bears and you gappers, he was trying to be polite; nevertheless, "when Bob Barnes praised my skiing, you gappers turned into shameless denials." No, we don't need you to "re-interpret" what BB said; it is only your perpetuated denial."



No, I don't force my feeling on others, as usual, you do, but you can't, so you invented all sorts of reasons to put down others to elevate your mutated ego. And true knowledge of skiing is not about being praised, but how well you balance G-forces, when you can do it well, you are a good skier, if not, not, is that a big deal? If you cannot match up but think that is a big deal, yes, you've put down/put off yourself. (Really, who cares?) It is good for me if I don't have to deal with gappers like you gapers.

:)
IS

You need to wake up and read BB statements carefully. He is comparing your skiing to "a" drill Here you are, so happy thinking BB praise you. The two paragraphs before and after his praise are talking about drills and turning your style into a drill.

[taichiskiing]

Assume I am the said person, that video was taken many years ago. The fact is that you did not dare to show up at Squaw. You run away from all challenges

I did give you a lot of chance to show your most recent clips, but you dare not even show it on the 'net? You don't qualify for your challenge.

You need to wake up and read BB statements carefully. He is comparing your skiing to "a" drill Here you are, so happy thinking BB praise you. The two paragraphs before and after his praise are talking about drills and turning your style into a drill.

To you low end skiers it is a drill, as you low end skiers cannot handle it as "real skiing." You are only cheating yourself to lip-serve your mutated ego.

:)
IS

[pku]

Yup, given his audients were them bears and you gappers, he was trying to be polite; nevertheless, "when Bob Barnes praised my skiing, you gappers turned into shameless denials." No, we don't need you to "re-interpret" what BB said; it is only your perpetuated denial. Nevertheless, ever heard that he praises either CSIA or your skiing? Where do you think your skiing stands in this issue?



Save your shameless denials, they are no longer fresh.



The higher you boast, the harder you fall; we shall see.

:)
IS

It's you like boosting your skiing is highend. I am only a weekend skier My skiing is a good weekend skier. There are so many good weekend skier around and also there are so many bad everyday skier around too.

I don't even know who is BB. I only know who is Richard Berger. Did BB ever mention who is Richard Berger?

How about Sato Hisaya, Miyashita, Maruyama. You know who they are? Your limited knowledge only know how to boost your high end skiing, no update, PSIA 4 , small Canadian dollar. Get to Youtube more and you can update your limited knowledge.

Even Norman said he's skiing will look better than yours next time on slope. Even your friend sit at home said can bit you at least in the look. Poor old man

[taichiskiing]

It's you like boosting your skiing is highend. I am only a weekend skier My skiing is a good weekend skier. There are so many good weekend skier around and also there are so many bad everyday skier around too.

That's what a "weekend skier" "thinks," but doesn't "see" the reality; that is what I've said, "you don't see beyond your skull," so thinking that you "weekend skier" can ski better than me is your typical self-gratifying illusions.

Highend skiing is more than 90% "disciplines," and ski every day, rain and shine, through the whole season is a severe discipline, which is not what you "weekend skier" can imagine. And one big problem with the so-called "weekend warriors, skiers alike," is their lack of practice, lack of experience, and「高不成，低不就」, i.e. stuck in the middle, and still thinking that they are well-trained, and end up get themselves and/or maybe others hurt.

I don't even know who is BB. I only know who is Richard Berger. Did BB ever mention who is Richard Berger?

One who like to use "epicski" to bash others to boast his skiing knowledge but doesn't know who BB (Bob Barnes) is? You are way behind your knowledge curve. No, he didn't mention who is Richard Berger, not I know of.

How about Sato Hisaya, Miyashita, Maruyama. You know who they are? Your limited knowledge only know how to boost your high end skiing, no update, PSIA 4 , small Canadian dollar. Get to Youtube more and you can update your limited knowledge.

No, I don't know who they are. Did I tell you carry too many garbage into skiing? What you so proud of those big "terms," which act like computer spam, only slow your thinking down, which consequently affects your skiing performance. When I ski I don't carry those mundane thingy with me;「為道日損，損之又損，以至於無」, Taichi Skiing is a moving meditation. I don't chase your mundane little values.

Even Norman said he's skiing will look better than yours next time on slope. Even your friend sit at home said can bit you at least in the look. Poor old man

Yup, that proves you and Norman are 「五十步與百步」？

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IS

[skier888]

That's what a "weekend skier" "thinks," but doesn't "see" the reality; that is what I've said, "you don't see beyond your skull," so thinking that you "weekend skier" can ski better than me is your typical self-gratifying illusions.

Highend skiing is more than 90% "disciplines," and ski every day, rain and shine, through the whole season is a severe discipline, which is not what you "weekend skier" can imagine. And one big problem with the so-called "weekend warriors, skiers alike," is their lack of practice, lack of experience, and「高不成，低不就」, i.e. stuck in the middle, and still thinking that they are well-trained, and end up get themselves and/or maybe others hurt.



One who like to use "epicski" to bash others to boast his skiing knowledge but doesn't know who BB (Bob Barnes) is? You are way behind your knowledge curve. No, he didn't mention who is Richard Berger, not I know of.



No, I don't know who they are. Did I tell you carry too many garbage into skiing? What you so proud of those big "terms," which act like computer spam, only slow your thinking down, which consequently affects your skiing performance. When I ski I don't carry those mundane thingy with me;「為道日損，損之又損，以至於無」, Taichi Skiing is a moving meditation. I don't chase your mundane little values.



Yup, that proves you and Norman are 「五十步與百步」？

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IS

Are you talking about yourself. What you can do

• ski groomed
• small jump
• spin on flat
• ..........

What you can not do

• ski steep
• large jump
• spin when you jump
• ..........

[skier888]

I did give you a lot of chance to show your most recent clips, but you dare not even show it on the 'net? You don't qualify for your challenge.



To you low end skiers it is a drill, as you low end skiers cannot handle it as "real skiing." You are only cheating yourself to lip-serve your mutated ego.

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IS

I don't feel a need to show videos and I don't have any in my possession. If you want, come to Squaw to video us together but you don't have courage. All you can do is hiding behind the keyboard bad mouth others.

On top of that, I don't have to prove anything to be able to see your skiing is mediocre. Why did epicski banned you twice if your skiing is so great