為什麼 wedge 是一個問題?

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文章 skier666 » 週五 7月 30, 2010 5:25 am

PSBoy 寫:The foot beds are another brand but I forgot it...hehe

Which brand of your liners?
I don't have after market liner yet. Maybe after existing one packed out



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文章 skier666 » 週五 7月 30, 2010 6:49 am

I am using money to buy time. It is money well spent in my case. When I was in group lesson the first year I ski, the instructor gave me extra tips on lift chair. He told me he could not teach the class what he taught me because it would mess up the students.

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文章 skier666 » 週五 7月 30, 2010 7:17 am

By 2nd year,there are certain types of skis I can't perform

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文章 skier666 » 週五 7月 30, 2010 2:14 pm

I mean ski technique

I had a drastic improvement right away after the change in boot setup.

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文章 ams » 週五 7月 30, 2010 2:22 pm

skier666 寫:I had a drastic improvement right away after the change in boot setup.
其間有沒有偷練大法? :face (353):

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文章 Vicente » 週五 7月 30, 2010 2:36 pm

skier666 寫:I mean ski technique

I had a drastic improvement right away after the change in boot setup.
Someone run a ski shop in Vancouver told me that the insoles are the most valuable ski stuff. :face (292): :face (292):

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文章 Vicente » 週五 7月 30, 2010 2:38 pm

ams 寫:其間有沒有偷練大法? :face (353):
高度的懷疑ㄡ. :face (3): :face (3):

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文章 PSBoy » 週五 7月 30, 2010 3:58 pm

skier666 寫:I mean ski technique

I had a drastic improvement right away after the change in boot setup.
Just curious what are the changes in your boot setup?

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文章 skier666 » 週六 7月 31, 2010 12:13 am

Sorry, I am traveling around California. The above responses are sent while I was bored waiting.

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文章 skier666 » 週六 7月 31, 2010 12:39 am

PSBoy 寫:Just curious what are the changes in your boot setup?
Everything needs to be done.

I was able to perform the techinques that I was not able to do before almost right away. That is why I know the the changes work.

I start taking some private lessons. The instructors always asked me how many days I skied several times during the lessons even after I told them about my other on snow experience. They told me my progress is significant for people skiing less than 20 days.

What I am trying to say is that I made investment early to get the right equipments and right setup. It costs money but it let me skip many trials and errors. If you look around, most people end up getting the good stuff later if they keep on skiing. I just skip the cheap stuff and did it at the beginning.

Wedge really does not makes sense to me. It is scary to make them on steep slope and I never develop wedge. I learned side slip myself early on instead. It took me about half an hour to figure out I can slide/slip on any sloops. I know there are some people with similar experience so this is not a unique approach.

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文章 skier666 » 週六 7月 31, 2010 11:18 am

ams 寫:其間有沒有偷練大法? :face (353):
看過下次拍的影片再考慮 :face (318):

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文章 PSBoy » 週一 8月 02, 2010 12:01 pm

skier666 寫:...I was able to perform the techinques that I was not able to do before almost right away. That is why I know the the changes work...
You are very smart because you did the investment on your ski boots at the very beginning. It is a good story to tell ski boots are very important. Needless to say, I totally agree with your point because I am also enjoying the benefits :-)

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文章 taichiskiing » 週一 8月 09, 2010 1:59 am

PSBoy 寫:Thanks, taichiskiing, for your kind explanation :-)

Now, I have more information about how to stand (問題是怎樣站), thanks a lot!
Thanks, yes, when you play around with that idea, you'll find that there are more ways to stand to support one's own body weight, as well as to utilize the boots to control the skis, than just stand on the bottom of one's feet.
Carving is not my cup of tea honestly because I don't like to ski fast, whereas skidding (referring to PMTS terminology, i.e. brushed carve) is my good partner for the all mountains skiing. I think the main reason is that I don't have sufficient physical and technical ability to do carving :-(
Well, "skidded parallel turns" (there are a lot of fancy names for this technique, so I just use the generic term) is still the most versatile technique in all skiing, being used more 95% of time/skiing, I believe; nothing wrong with it. Carving does not really need to be more physical, but yes, it is fairly technical, that's why so many "half-baked" carvers like to talk about it (to brag). All said, nevertheless, a good carving only hinge on one technique—a clean edge switch—that's "tipping"/倒, the rest of carving is only "routine."
If you don't mind, I may share my boot fitting experience to you. Actually, the boot fitting service includes boot alignment, foot bed and liner. After the professional service, I feel that I can easily control my skis via my boots especially in the ungroomed slope. I can also do one-footed skiing. Perhaps, I may also do the same thing if I know Tai Chi at a certain level.

Thanks again for your sharing!
Well, in regarding to enhance performance, there are two major contrasting philosophies: the western way and the oriental way. The western way is to improve their equipements (e.g. foot-bed, etc.), and the oriental way is to go back to the root of the problem, practice/練功夫, and improve their skills. Each has its own merits, but I like the oriental way.

I thought if you had learned to stand my way, you might have saved yourself $600. :) Seriously, I have problems with a tightly fitted boots, they make skis too responsive, thus too tippy/unstable to do my "all-mountain" skiing. And secondly, a glove-tight boot only generates a more-or-less uniformed pressure on the edges and base underfoot. The stand I described is to use various part of a foot and shin/lower leg to utilze the boot to levage a greater force and greater area and ultimately to reach all part of ski; it is called "ski the whole ski." Here's back to an earlier issue, how to "tip"? put more pressure on the edges of the feet (outside edge/腳刀 of inside foot and inside edge of outside foot) in "one" move. And that's the "freedom" of the proper stance.

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文章 PSBoy » 週一 8月 09, 2010 12:24 pm

taichiskiing 寫:...the oriental way is to go back to the root of the problem, practice/練功夫, and improve their skills. Each has its own merits, but I like the oriental way...I thought if you had learned to stand my way, you might have saved yourself $600. :) ...
I like the oriental approach too but due to my constraints, it is no snow in my country and no one to teach me that approach. Otherwise, I could spend the $600 to ski with you and we could have a nice dinner :)
taichiskiing 寫:...The stand I described is to use various part of a foot and shin/lower leg to utilze the boot to levage a greater force and greater area and ultimately to reach all part of ski; it is called "ski the whole ski." ...
That idea I was also told by a coach. I would like to learn more about this. If you don't mind, you may either give me more information in this thread or send private message to me, thanks.

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文章 taichiskiing » 週二 8月 10, 2010 1:02 am

PSBoy 寫:I like the oriental approach too but due to my constraints, it is no snow in my country and no one to teach me that approach. Otherwise, I could spend the $600 to ski with you and we could have a nice dinner :)

That idea I was also told by a coach. I would like to learn more about this. If you don't mind, you may either give me more information in this thread or send private message to me, thanks.
Guess we just keep the discussion on the board, other people may have the same question too.

To ski the "whole" ski is to control the "whole" ski in ways which the ski produces the desired results, not just to ski lengthwise, or carving; it all begins with a solid Base of Support (BoS). A solid Base of Support is rooted on firm gripe/pressure on the snow, which, because of the pressure, also produces certain motions of the skis. When you can control the whole ski this way, you are not just learned one technique but also open up the "full" potentials of the skis, as well as skiing. The question is, how to produce a "firm pressure" to serve as BoS? We have a lengthy discussion on the subject earlier on, guess instead of rehashing myself, I just quote, and serve as a starting point, how's that?

YouTube- 旋股


"一般人看腳、用腳就只知道一個大腳板,而對於腳是怎樣用力的卻是幌然莫知‧一個大腳板—穩—好走路,但是更複雜一點的動作如跑、跳、打功夫、滑雪等等,這個大腳板就不夠用了‧不管你練者用多大力,這個大腳板是壓不住edge的,為什麼呢?力道不對/不及‧力道是一個向量,那是說力道不只是有力量的大小同時還要包刮其用力的方向的,所以大腳板的力道向下而無法達到邊沿/edge的‧現在我們就看看怎樣有效的用腳使力。

先說我們該怎樣站法‧一般說來,在平地上我們要是“自然中正”的站的話,雙腳是“平”的而兩腳平分身體的重量‧當腳站“平”的時候,前腳掌與腳跟是平衡的而前腳掌又平均分配在大指邊的大骨頭及小指邊的小骨頭上,所以一隻腳三點、兩隻腳六點是平均分配的支持我們身體的重量,而我們的身體此時也只能“自然中正”的站著。

再說我們該怎樣用力‧要用內沿/inside edge的話,我們的力道要用在大骨頭及腳跟的那條線上(腳板心內側),反之,要用外沿/outside edge的話,我們的力道要用在小骨頭及腳跟的那條線上(外腳刀)‧但是我們怎樣才能把力道送到腳的兩邊呢?只有歪身體而用重量來壓‧要是練者保持一致的壓力而環遊兩腳的外側,舉例,從壓左邊的edges開始,身體/屁股向左歪,然後重心向前壓腳掌,再轉到右邊壓右邊的edges,再轉到腳跟,週而復始,做一個方向再做反方向,那就是“旋股”的練習了‧旋股是一個用重心來壓腳沿的練習‧做的對的話,力量在兩腳的邊沿轉,屁股的轉動是圓的,而頭不動‧但是,頭連身,身體在動,頭怎樣不動法?視野/眼前所見景像不變,神哉。

http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showpost. ... stcount=11

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文章 PSBoy » 週三 8月 11, 2010 11:53 am

taichiskiing 寫: YouTube- 旋股
Thanks for your kind explanation.

Seems this drill practices how to allocate the body weight to the 6 points (兩隻腳六點) through a circle (旋). It is also in line with the fore-aft balance movement. Ultimately, the diagonal movement will be strengthened. Good drill :-)

BTW, I think we may open a new thread to have further discussion if you don't mind.

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文章 PSBoy » 週三 8月 11, 2010 12:02 pm

taichiskiing 寫:...頭連身,身體在動,頭怎樣不動法?視野/眼前所見景像不變,神哉...
Well said. Agree, 不動 is talking about the focus.

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